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Subject:
Probabilities for non-replaced random selection
Category: Science > Math Asked by: nigglefish-ga List Price: $5.00 |
Posted:
12 Apr 2005 02:26 PDT
Expires: 12 May 2005 02:26 PDT Question ID: 508232 |
If I have a bag containing a number of marbles (n) and a certain number of them are red (r), how can I calculate the expected number of selections I must make from the bag in order to select a first red marble? Marbles are not replaced after each selection. I have observed the following relation: Expected selections = (n+1)/(r+1) I came up with this formula by simply staring at a few sample cases for long enough. I have found that I do not know how to prove this formula for the general case. A satisfactory answer to this question would provide a detailed and easy to follow explanation of a proof or disproof for this empirically tested formula. Cheers, Nigel. |
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Re: Probabilities for non-replaced random selection
Answered By: elmarto-ga on 12 Apr 2005 12:54 PDT |
Hi nigglefish! First of all, let me tell you that you got the correct answer. I found the formula for the expected number of trials before the first success at the following link: CRYSTOOL 4.1 http://porter.llnl.gov/crystool4.1/crystool_theory.html Although it's for a different application, it can very easily be adapted to your case, and the mathemtical proof is there. Notice (I didn't realized this at first) that the expressions in that page that seem to be fractions between parentheses are actually combinatorials. For some reason, they put a line between the 2 numbers that define the combinatorial. For more information on the hypergeometric distribution (which is need for the proof), you may want to follow this link: Hypergeometric Distribution http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HypergeometricDistribution.html Google search strategy ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22without+replacement%22+%22first+success%22&btnG=Search I hope this helps! Best wishes! elmarto |
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Re: Probabilities for non-replaced random selection
From: xarqi-ga on 12 Apr 2005 04:11 PDT |
Can you expand on what you mean by "selection" and "a first red marble" please? |
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