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New Testament
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: bart22-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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13 Apr 2005 14:41 PDT
Expires: 14 Apr 2005 18:39 PDT Question ID: 508935 |
Paul?s gospel, summarized in Romans 1:16-17, is simply this: God alone provides salvation (righteousness) as a pure gift for those who accept it (those who believe). If salvation is a gift, then what is the purpose of the law? In other words, what is the relationship between faith in Jesus Christ and the moral guidelines Paul enumerates in chapters 12-15? According to Paul, why is this the case? |
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Re: New Testament
From: dalman-ga on 13 Apr 2005 14:49 PDT |
Maybe the question lies in what you define salvation as. If you define it as righteousness, then you have to ask yourself what do you mean by righteousness? If righteousness means obedience to the law, then there you have your reason for the law...to define righteousness and thus salvation as obedience to law. Thus Paul's gift of righteousness would be in essence the law or in other words the way of salvation. As if that wouldn't confuse anyone further...If Paul were still around he'd even be confused! |
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Re: New Testament
From: myoarin-ga on 13 Apr 2005 15:54 PDT |
"The golden rule is endorsed by all the great world religions; Jesus, Hillel, and Confucius used it to summarize their ethical teachings. And for many centuries the idea has been influential among people of very diverse cultures. These facts suggest that the golden rule may be an important moral truth." http://www.jcu.edu/philosophy/gensler/goldrule.htm The above is one man's statement, but I don't think we need to argue with it. If God alone provides salvation to those who believe, for Christians that means also believing in the tenets Christ taught (and not only he). To make a sweeping statement: all law (well, maybe not tax law ;-) ) is a codification of the golden rule. If we all adhered to it, we wouldn't need all the laws that spell out in ever increasing detail what we should and should not do: be it murder, discrimination, not planting trees where they could bother the neighbor, driving recklessly ... I think it was Thmas Jefferson who said something to the effect that laws are there for those who would break them, not for those who would not. So by obeying the law, we are only abiding by the golden rule, and from my glance at Romans 12-15, what Paul enumerates supports this. |
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Re: New Testament
From: dalman-ga on 13 Apr 2005 19:41 PDT |
So not to get philosophically deep, but it really comes down to what salvation is defined as. You can take it two ways, either salvation is a (1) destination or a goal or (2) a state of being If it's a goal, then "gift of salvation" could then essentially be the method to get there. It's as if Paul says, "here's a map to salvation, follow it and you have your gift (Christ)" So in essence, the gift of salvation is the law. If it's a state of being, such as righteousness, then it's still the same thing, the method. One would tend to think though as salvation as a destination because if it's a state of being, then there are many who are currently in "salvation" as opposed to being headed in that direction. |
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Re: New Testament
From: dalman-ga on 13 Apr 2005 19:49 PDT |
So not to get philosophically deep, but it really comes down to what salvation is defined as. You can take it two ways, either salvation is a (1) destination or a goal or (2) a state of being. If it's a goal, then "gift of salvation" could then essentially be the method to get there. It's as if Paul says, "here's a map to salvation (Christ), follow it and you have your gift" So in essence, the gift of salvation is the law. If it's a state of being, such as righteousness, then it's still the same thing, the method. One would tend to think though as salvation as a destination because if it's a state of being, then there are many who are currently in "salvation" as opposed to being on the path of salvation. |
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Re: New Testament
From: bozo99-ga on 13 Apr 2005 19:54 PDT |
It is a teaching tool to show up sin. This is evident in Romans 7:7 and in Galatians 3 which covers your question. The Law also provides a basis for God to judge evildoers and to approve the obedient (even if the Law as such is not their motive). |
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Re: New Testament
From: mike123106-ga on 14 Apr 2005 07:40 PDT |
the purpose of the law is to keep us out of trouble.. if you eat fatty pork all day you will get fat and unhealthy. is it a sin against your soul? no. its just against your body. jesus came, and he said something to the effect of "i did not come here to change one bit of the law, i came to fulfill it".. its awesome because now all the blood sacrifices and lambs and stuff, we no longer have to do.. because jesus became our spotless lamb. some people think the law is old testament and non exsistant.. i guess they can go murder people and break all of the 10 commandments as well. but if pork made people's bodies unhealthy back then, it will now too. now, there are also verses in the NT about if you go to someones house and they feed you pork, dont worry about it.. accept their generosity for cooking you a meal and eat it with delight.. everything you touch is blessed. dont worry about simple stuff like that though. you have jesus inside you and he has overcome the world for you. the holy spirit will guide you. this example was just pork because it just popped into my head. but jesus knew we could not keep every rule and every comandment of the law.. if you break one it is as if you broke them all.. so we are all murderers, all adulterers.. we cant do it on our own.. so we have to fall back into the arms of grace. personally i dont think jesus wants us each day to say "ok i cant do this this this" but rather we should just love him with all our heart and all all the small detailed, nit picky things of the "law" will fade and jesus will be magnified when our focus is on him.. my point is, dont get bogged down. |
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