How do we manufacture Benyl Alcohol on a commercial scale ?

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Clarification of Question by vsssarma-ga on 14 Apr 2005 07:37 PDT

Are there any market reports on this product ? Who are the current
manufacturers ? What is the total production and consumption ? Is
there any scope to make it and market it ? where is it used ? I am
aware of the use of the product in the Pour Point Depressant industry
but where else is it used ? What are the current prices of the product
? Can we manufacture it and make money ?

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Clarification of Question by vsssarma-ga on 14 Apr 2005 07:42 PDT

what is the chemical formula ? what raw materials are needed ? what
are the raw material costs and what are the manufacturing costs ? How
much profit can the manufacturer make ? Are there any environmental
issues connected to manufacturing ? Is there any ready project report
? If many ways of manufacturing are available, which is the
environmentally safe and least expensive method ?

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Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 15 Apr 2005 05:23 PDT

vsssarma-ga,

If you can provide us a CAS number perhaps we can help you.  Without
it, it's hard to be sure that the few sites on benyl alcohol aren't
just typos for benzyl alcohol.

Thanks.

pafalafa-ga

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Clarification of Question by vsssarma-ga on 15 Apr 2005 05:42 PDT

with reference to the clarification sought by pafalafa, at present I
do not know the CAS no., but trying to know about it. myoarin-ga is
right about chinese product. Cognis, Europe make this, I suppose. It
is in short supply. Ecogreen, Malaysia make this also. Godrej, VVF in
India also make this, I suppose.

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Clarification of Question by vsssarma-ga on 15 Apr 2005 05:46 PDT

Stenol 1822 A is a Cognis, France product (75% concentration, others
are c18 to c20). It is a C22 Alcohol. Costs about 3-4 USD / Kg.

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Clarification of Question by vsssarma-ga on 15 Apr 2005 06:15 PDT

I have come across references of Behenyl Alcohol. Is Benyl Alcohol
same as Behenyl Alcohol ?

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 15 Apr 2005 06:53 PDT

Hello vsssarma -

Would you be interested in the names of one or more chemical
engineering consultants who are verified to be able to help you for a
fee?

jbf777

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Clarification of Question by vsssarma-ga on 15 Apr 2005 08:32 PDT

with reference to the question of jbf 777 - Yes, I will be interested
to contact a chemical engineering expert for a fee.

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 17 Apr 2005 18:33 PDT

I've spoken with three chemical engineers, all who have worked with
various alcohols.  All three have never even heard of the term "benyl"
in relation to alcohol.  You are absolutely 100% positive that benyl
is the correct spelling?

jbf777

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Clarification of Question by vsssarma-ga on 20 Apr 2005 19:55 PDT

jbf777, I am sorry that i could not respond to you fast as i was
travelling. After all these trials and tribulations, I am beginning to
think that it is benehyl alcohol (a c-22 alcohol). In case this
product is used in manufacturing crude oil flow improvers, let us go
ahead and work on benehyl alcohol. Thanks for your interest.

Hello vsssarma -

No problem on the delay.

The chemical to which you're referring is actually spelled "behenyl
alcohol," a fatty alcohol also known as 1-docosanol, which is indeed
cited in a government article as a pour point depressant that can help
oil flow more freely:

  http://www.rma.usda.gov/pilots/feasible/pdf/crambe.pdf

It is shown on the following European Commission web page as having a
CAS number of 661-19-8, and a (European) EINECS number of 211-546-6:

  http://pharmacos.eudra.org/F3/inci/inciabe.htm

Here are several additional facts on it, from Chemical Land 21:

http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/industrialchem/solalc/BEHENYL%20ALCOHOL.htm


The following two links contain the names of several manufacturers for
behenyl alcohol:

Chem Buyers Guide
http://www.buyersguidechem.de/AliefAus.php?pnu=400789666239&cass=661-19-8

OPD
http://www.OPDsearch.com/op_frameset.asp?Target=Chemicals&Query=behenyl&Action=Search&SelNumber=&Offset=1&Section=Chemicals



A perfect place for finding consultation/manufacturing experts in this
area is the ChemIndustry Expert Site:

  http://chemindustry.intota.com

Simply click on the "Request a Project" link, fill in the details on
the type of person for which you're looking, and you will be contacted
with the names of professionals who can assist you.

Here's an example of an expert in fatty alcohols:

http://chemindustry.intota.com/viewbio.asp?mode=&bioFile=/xml/biofull/604290data.xml&bioID=604290&perID=711117


There is also an organization called the Association of Consulting
Chemists and Chemical Engineers.  It's a nonprofit group "serving the
chemical consulting needs of prospective clients and its members since
1928."  You can freely search their member directory from their
website, and also use their free referral service, where they will
locate the appropriate consultant for you:

http://www.chemconsult.org/

I spoke with two consultants listed at the site who feel they can help
you with this project:

  William A. Hoffman	 
  ROBILL Products	 
  436 East Saddle River Road	 
  Ridgewood, NJ, 07450	 
  201-670-7467 Voice	 
  201-788-0823 cell	 
  201-670-7467 Fax

  Ronald Zager	 
  Ronald Zager Associates LLC	 
  85 Glen Ledge Road	 
  Glen, NH 03838	 
  (603) 383-4166 Voice	 
  (603) 383-8162 Fax
  Reference Google Answers

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You might want to consider the possibility of contract manufacturing,
depending on your application.  A company like MVS Solutions might be
able to help here:

MVS Solutions
http://www.mvssolutions.com/
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Check the Thomas Register at www.thomasregister.com for additional
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Select search Strategy:
  used various online databases
  terms: "behenyl alcohol" 
  

Please let me know if you need any additional clarification or assistance.

Thank you,

  
jbf777
Researcher
Google Answers

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Request for Answer Clarification by vsssarma-ga on 24 Apr 2005 01:30 PDT

jbf777, i am grateful to you for all the effort. I think the money of
USD 100 well spent. My banker called me up today and said that the
money has been paid to you guys out there. Thanks for all the info.

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Clarification of Answer by jbf777-ga on 24 Apr 2005 09:44 PDT

You're welcome!  Glad to hear.  Please be sure to ask for any
additional clarification you may need before rating this answer.

Thanks,

jbf777

hello vsssarma

Patent number  5728897
 Process for the preparation of benzyl alcohol 


 Patent number 5750801 
 Process for the continuous preparation of benzyl alcohol

Patent number  6057482
 Process for producing benzyl acetate and benzyl alcohol

 	to access patent using www.google.com
Patent numbers  	
example search: "patent 5750801"
Remember to put the word "patent" before your patent number.

Thanks, Sultanarun. But I want info about Benyl Alcohol but not Benzyl Alcohol.

Vsssarma...

Sultanarun is not a Researcher, just a commenter like myself, and
therefore your question has not been answered and you have not been
charged.

Steph53

Are you sure there even is a substance called Benyl Alcohol? It's not
listed among the 10300 chemicals in The Merck Index, and the hits on
Google are all misspelled benzyl alcohol's.

Yes, Rhenium. It is Benyl Alcohol. Few refeences were found in the
Google search which did not give any information about the product but
talked of the uses. I know that a lot of product is produced in
Germany and exported to countries like India where it is used to
produce cold flow improvers for crude oil. I am interested to know
what it is.

Yes, indeed, benyl alcohol is something else.
I found a very long list of chemcials and the names of suppliers, but
benyl alcohol was listed as "generic", which to me would suggest that
anybody can make it and/or that it is a byproduct in the production of
something else.

This site is no longer active, but it shows a Chinese company that
sells benyl alcohol, which makes me think that it would be hard to
compete with them:  Chinese cost structure, lack of concern about
environmental matters.

It appears to be used in perfume and cosmetics.  It also seems to be a
common contaminant in other compounds.

Stenol 1822 contains benehyl alcohol, not benyl alcohol.

http://www.uniqema.com/Uniqema_ProductCatalogue/ProdCat/NonICI.asp?Region=Americas&MoveTo=575

Benehyl alcohol (1-docosanol) is a C-22 alkohol, with the formula
CH3(CH2)20CH2OH, and CAS 661-19-8.

myoarin-ga:

Your comment makes little sense. Generic does not necessarily mean
that anyone can make it, it just means that it doesn't have a
brand-name. Take a second look at the pages containing the word "benyl
alcohol", they are just typos...

Rhenium,
no doubt you are right about "generic", but on this list:
http://www-esh.fnal.gov/pls/default/msds_search.list?sort=1

benzyl alcohol occurs twice, and benyl alcohol once (you have to
scroll down a ways, but it is alphabetical).
You are right about the misspellings elsewhere, but I doubt this is one.

myoarin-ga:

I'm still sure it's a typo; boric acid is also listed thrice, once as
"generic" and twice with company names.

I asked a former Professor of Chemistry (retired from the University
of Tulsa) about "benyl" alcohol. He said he had never heard of such a
thing, and suggested that any published instances of this term are
almost certainly typographical errors or misspellings of "benzyl."

Thanks, Pinkfreud,
It sure is a good word to misstype, but it seems surprising that it
would appear in that list and also in the list of the Chinese chemical
supplier  - both with benzyl also on the lists.
Maybe I should ask about the most often misspelt word on the web. 
Tetrahedron would be a close contender  (tetrahedon).

Ignoring things like the anomalies of COLOR (sic) in HTML (spelt wrong
to my UK English upbringing), the word that is probably spelt wrongly
the most is wrongly, yet the word most spelt incorrectly is
incorrectly ;)

Yes, I know what you meant, but in all honesty it's often difficult to
define a mispelling, or just a dialect or lexicon difference.

Stephan (getting his coat)

There is a synthesis route described in The Indian Journal of
Chemistry: http://www.niscair.res.in/ScienceCommunication/ResearchJournals/rejour/IJCB/ijcbaug2k2.htm
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