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Pearl Harbour 1941
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: kemlo-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
15 Apr 2005 15:17 PDT
Expires: 15 May 2005 15:17 PDT Question ID: 509857 |
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Re: Pearl Harbour 1941
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 18 Apr 2005 10:20 PDT Rated: |
Kemlo -- I changed the search strategy to the following and came up with an account that Gen. George Macarthur himself "insisted they must have been white mercenaries." John Dower's book "War Without Mercy: Race and Power in the Pacific War" apparently covers the stereotypes in details and quotes MacArthur. MacArthur was very influential, widely-quoted and undoubtedly the source of British military speculation. Here's an excellent review of the 1987 book: http://www.kevincmurphy.com/dower.html I found the MacArthur quotation almost instantly by modifying the search strategy to: Japanese pilots racial stereotypes World War II The sinking of a U.S. warship in China (referenced in comments) was the Panay Incident. It ocurred almost 15 years before Pearl Harbor: http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/panay.html The day of Pearl Harbor there were simultaneous attacks on Guam and the Phillipines. I just re-read the 22 different stories in the December 8, 1941 New York Times and there's no indication that anyone but Japanese military personnel were involved in the attack. However, there are some surprises in the newspaper accounts from Monday, Dec. 8: * there's little in terms of damage reports -- only accounts of the Oklahoma burning and a Japanese report that it had been sunk. * The accounts note that 104 military personnel died and 300 were wounded. With the perspective of 60+ years, we know that the battleship Oklahoma lost 429 men; the Arizona (now a memorial in Pearl Harbor) lost 1,177 and the total number killed is put at 2,400. * newspapers report the U.S. fleet steaming out to meet the attack, which was inaccurate given the level of damage. * newspaper accounts also imply that U.S. planes at the airfields such as Hickam Field were elsewhere and not damaged, when the (obsolete) aircraft based there were virtually all destroyed. * the NY Times has a picture of one of the "likely" Japanese aircraft carriers used in the attack, the Akagi. (All six of Japan's first-line aircraft carriers, Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku and Zuikaku, were part of the attack.) Best regards, Omnivorous-GA | |
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Omnivorouse Thank you for the link to the book It will help enormesly (sic) |
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Re: Pearl Harbour 1941
From: omnivorous-ga on 16 Apr 2005 04:50 PDT |
Kemlo -- It's the first that I've heard of the account. Japan had been at war in China for years and even had sunk an American ship with air attacks earlier, casting some doubt on the account of mercenary pilots. The day of Pearl Harbor there were simultaneous attacks on Guam and the Phillipines. I just re-read the 22 different stories in the December 8, 1941 New York Times and there's no indication that anyone but Japanese military personnel were involved in the attack. However, there are some surprises in the newspaper accounts from Monday, Dec. 8: * there's little in terms of damage reports -- only accounts of the Oklahoma burning and a Japanese report that it had been sunk. * The accounts note that 104 military personnel died and 300 were wounded. With the perspective of 60+ years, we know that the battleship Oklahoma lost 429 men; the Arizona (now a memorial in Pearl Harbor) lost 1,177 and the total number killed is put at 2,400. * newspapers report the U.S. fleet steaming out to meet the attack, which was inaccurate given the level of damage. * newspaper accounts also imply that U.S. planes at the airfields such as Hickam Field were elsewhere and not damaged, when the (obsolete) aircraft based there were virtually all destroyed. * the NY Times has a picture of one of the "likely" Japanese aircraft carriers used in the attack, the Akagi. (All six of Japan's first-line aircraft carriers, Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku and Zuikaku, were part of the attack.) Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Pearl Harbour 1941
From: omnivorous-ga on 17 Apr 2005 15:50 PDT |
Kemlo -- I didn't want to get into the area of racial stereotypes, but do know that they existed. Japanese soldiers and airmen were said to be "near sighted" and their fighter aircraft flimsy -- but of course once the war started both reputations proved highly inaccurate (and deadly). Nonetheless it was an interesting exercise to read the NY Times online. Most major libraries have full-text search for it back to 1851. A question for you: which London papers are online back to World War II? Best regards, O. |
Subject:
Re: Pearl Harbour 1941
From: cvenom-ga on 19 Apr 2005 11:55 PDT |
The newspaper reports that indicated less damage sustained from the attack, appears to be a clear case of misinformation. I'm sure the War Department did not want the enemy to know exactly what damage it's forces had sustained in the attack. By releasing lower casualty/damage figures, the Japanese probably did not know to what extent their attack had affected the capabilities of the Pacific Fleet. |
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