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Does Islam approve of belly-dancing?
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion Asked by: rambler-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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16 Apr 2005 13:22 PDT
Expires: 26 Apr 2005 14:06 PDT Question ID: 510152 |
I believe belly-dancing is associated with Turkey and Egypt. Since these are Muslim countries, I'm puzzled why they would allow belly-dancing. Doesn't Islam require that women cover up? |
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Re: Does Islam approve of belly-dancing?
From: emin-ga on 16 Apr 2005 15:11 PDT |
I think Islam doesn?t allow belly dancing because it doesn?t allow music, and silent dancing is no fun. A much better place to ask this question is (yep, you guessed it) http://www.askimam.com where an authentic Imam answers questions from faithful from all over the world. An eye-opener, BTW. So, according to Imam Mufti Ebrahim Desai all music is prohibited, as well as of course dancing. Any mention of belly-dancers is in this question: http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=8847 As to prohibition of music of any kind please refer to those answers: http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=12953 http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6285 http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=12923 http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=12940 http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=8847 If that doesn?t answer your question feel free to Ask Imam (dot com). |
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Re: Does Islam approve of belly-dancing?
From: myoarin-ga on 16 Apr 2005 17:14 PDT |
Greetings, I won't argue with askimam about what it correct according to the Koran and shariah. Personally, having travelled in several Muslim countries, I never heard that music was forbidden, and music is certainly very common and present in those countries. There are pop music stars in Turkey and Egypt as well as traditional music, sung and instrumental. The existance of this typical "oriental"-sounding music indicates that it stems from a very old tradition. This suggests that regardless of what Islamic religious laws say, music has never been effectively prohibited. Belly dancing implies to westerners a lot of skin, and it is also based on long tradition, but as the askimam site puts it, traditionally it belongs in the haraam -the women's quarter, performed before women only. In the 17th century, Lady Mary Montegu reported from Turkey the freedom women showed in the hamam (public bath), so among themselves, I imagine that they danced rather "freely". In Egypt, the dancers are required - I believe - to cover themselves from their ankles up, but the cloth can be pretty diaphanous from the films of weddings that I have seen. And this may have been the case early; Lady Montegu reported that the finest cotten was so thin that even under several layers one could see a woman's nipple. Traditionally -as in the question to askimam- there was belly dancing at the women's party before the wedding. I have seen a film from Egypt of an older woman dancing at such a party, and she certainly could "move it", better that what I have seen anywhere else, and it was obviously very suggestive, if you will, instruction for the wedding night. Oh, yes, she was guite covered, which did not detract from the suggestiveness of her dancing. In Turkey - and probably elsewhere - the traditon is still alive, not just something professionals do. In a popular restaurant area in Istanbul, I have seen girls dancing after dinner - in jeans - and a man or two, also clothed, of course. So, you are correct, Islam requires that women cover up, but it hasn't done away with old traditions. I wonder if Salome's dancing - arousing Herod's lust - was not quite in the same tradition. |
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Re: Does Islam approve of belly-dancing?
From: cynthia-ga on 16 Apr 2005 17:46 PDT |
Dear Shira: Is Belly Dance Intended to Serve Men? http://www.shira.net/dearshira/servingmen.htm ..."Since the rise of Islam, "belly dancing" among Muslim women has been mostly a social dance that was done in the company of other women. Just as we use social dancing as part of our celebration at wedding receptions and other happy occasions, so did people in the Middle East. In traditional Muslim households, women celebrated separately from men. For each special event, men had their party, and women had a separate one. Men danced with other men, and women danced with other women, all using the moves that today we think of as "belly dancing" moves..." More at the link. |
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Re: Does Islam approve of belly-dancing?
From: fruitfly-ga on 17 Apr 2005 03:23 PDT |
Egypt and Turkey are not god examples since they are secular countries. It's better to compare situation in Iran and United Arab Emirates. |
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Re: Does Islam approve of belly-dancing?
From: telnady-ga on 17 Apr 2005 10:38 PDT |
Greetings, Islamic law is derived from 2 main sources: the Quran (the word of God) and the Sunnah (the teachings and practices of Prophet Muhammad). Islamic scholars have derived 2 additional tools to help codify certain matters that by necessity did not exist at the time the of the prophet, namely the Qiyaas (comparing the situation in question to situations that have been previously resolved by resorting to Quran and Sunnah directly) and the Ijmaa (unanimous consensus of the scholars on a particular issue). The subject of belly dancing specifically is (to my knowledge) not covered by either of the the two primary sources, and hence the rulings of the various muftis and scholars are secondary derivations based on Qiyaas and Ijmaa. What is beyond doubt in Islam, is that women should not be sexually provocative to anyone other than their husband; neither in the way they are dressed or in the way they move or talk. Similarly, men are forbidden to emulate the women, and also have restrictions on their dress and behaviour in the audience of women other than their wives. This provides a solid basis for scholars to use Qiyaas to derive a ruling that Islam does not allow belly dancing as a public practice. In response to other comments, I completely disagree with askimam about the fact that music is not allowed by Islam. This is beyond argument simply because the Prophet himself used to encourage his people to sing and rejoice on special occasions, and the Quran encourages us to beautify our voices when reciting it. What may be subject to question though, is music that is played with the sole intention of provoking ane evil (e.g. public dancing). This is another example of contextual rulings that are unnecessarily generalized. As for the comments about Egypt and Turkey, suffuce to say that there are no "Islamic countries" that follow the Shariaa (Islamic law) to the word. Alcohol and gambling are also permitted according to Egyptian law, while there is no shadow of doubt that both these practices are blatant sins under Islamic law. God knows best. |
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Re: Does Islam approve of belly-dancing?
From: hoze1234-ga on 23 Apr 2005 11:43 PDT |
This must be the comment of the man of God. It is simple, Islam is not Christianity what means "imam's, or askimam.com" services may only include their opinion about quran words or a groups words. What means, there are no praists or levels of being near god. You and god, everbody else means nothing including imam's. So that web site wont work. You have to read Quran yourself and analyse. Sunnah (the teachings and practices of Prophet Muhammad, I am not quite sure if "human being" added something to words of Muhammed, but even a letter is not changed of Quran. I ve read Quran in Turkish a couple times. Music is not forbidden, but a tariqat can believe, I ve read my self no there is not, music is not banned. You can not say ISLAM, but can be called Quran. Quran orders to close their parts to protect themselves from "rape" which is common and "legal" before Muhammed came. God stopped the evil raping to womens by ordering these to people by Muhammed. To protect human being from human being. You may give up from the benefits of having the pill (order of god) but dont forget the pill (order) is for you also the fact is not having the pill. All is for us. |
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Re: Does Islam approve of belly-dancing?
From: myoarin-ga on 26 Apr 2005 04:01 PDT |
cynthia-ga, >>That is a wonderful link. If I were a Muslim, it occurred to me that to this question I might ask back: Do Christian religions approve of table dancing? (And much more that appears in print and on TV in western countries?) |
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