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Subject:
Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
Category: Computers > Internet Asked by: archae0pteryx-ga List Price: $27.19 |
Posted:
17 Apr 2005 15:55 PDT
Expires: 17 May 2005 15:55 PDT Question ID: 510561 |
Serious question here. Is it possible for someone to hack into a personal website and make it inaccessible to the owner (such as by changing the password for website services) or even to cause the whole site to disappear from the host service? Someone in my family has had a website of long standing suddenly become inoperable, as in gone--the URL comes up as an error. No e-mail comes or goes. The name cannot be found in the host website services. I'm not interested in responses that ask if he's checked this connection or that setting. Anyone trying to access the website from anywhere will get a "could not be found" message. This is not related to anything taking place on his local system. So far the host service has been unresponsive. And of course there's no phone number--online contact only. There is some reason to suspect foul play because of other e-communications dysfunctionalities that have come upon him in the past year. I just want to know how far someone could really go, presuming he had the knowhow and the will, to disrupt someone else's website. Please answer: 1. What can a third party do to interfere with someone's maintenance of his or her own personal website? 2. How could such interference be detected? 3. What can the website owner do to counteract and/or defend against such an attack? Thank you, Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
Answered By: hammer-ga on 18 Apr 2005 14:09 PDT Rated: |
archae0pteryx-ga, Per your instructions, I'm posting my main comment as an answer. Additional information is available in my other comments, viewable below. By the way, the comment I wrote about disparaging remarks was not intended as either a judgement of the web content or an excuse for the hacker. You asked about whether a person would be motivated to attack a web site that they considered to be a thorn in their side. The comment was intended to illustrate what might motivate such a person. In this case, it is the potential hacker's perceptions that are at issue, as opposed to an unbiased evaluation of the site content. --- FROM COMMENTS -- To answer your questions: <<1. What can a third party do to interfere with someone's maintenance of his or her own personal website?>> If they hack the server, anything they want. Since servers sit out there 24 hours a day, the hackers have plenty of time to find a way in. <<2. How could such interference be detected?>> By evaluating the symptoms and digging throgh log files looking for missing information. Hackers often cover their tracks by deleting pieces of key log files. <<3. What can the website owner do to counteract and/or defend against such an attack?>> Nothing. The owner of the server computer (the hosting service) is responsible for locking down the server. The individual websites do not have access to the necessary settings, unless they have root access to the server. This access is available with certain hosting packages, but I don't know if you have one of these. -------------------------- I hope the information I provided helps you to get to the bottom of your disappearing site mystery. - Hammer |
archae0pteryx-ga
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Many thanks, Hammer. Your answers have helped create a realistic picture of the situation and the possibilities that exist. I don't know how this one is going to turn out, but I'm a website owner too, and it is scary to see how vulnerable we are. Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: steph53-ga on 17 Apr 2005 17:32 PDT |
Hi Tryx.... No offence, but the subject of your question makes it look like you may be a hacker ( I KNOW that you aren't ) but when I first read it w/o seeing your name, thats what I was thinking. IMHO only :( Steph53 |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 17 Apr 2005 18:02 PDT |
Yikes. Thanks, Steph. *** NO *** I am not a hacker! As a relative of the presumed victim, I am trying to find out something about what a hacker could do to someone. The website is completely down, gone, no such URL, and all the mail that comes through it (username[at]thatwebsite.org] is stopped. Because the website owner has been embroiled in some internal organizational politics and because some antagonistic members do possess considerable Internet savvy, he thinks it is more than coincidence that his key web e-mail accounts have been disabled or corrupted to the point that they were lost or closed, and now his website. I just want to know if someone can really do that to another person's website or domain name. Tryx |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: crythias-ga on 17 Apr 2005 19:40 PDT |
With a password in hand... the sky's the limit. Or, rather, the Hosting Site's limits are the limit.. Good idea to change passwords. :) |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 17 Apr 2005 19:49 PDT |
Crythias, I don't really understand your comment. A person with a password can make someone's entire domain name seem not to exist?--i.e., get nothing but an error message in response to the URL? Wouldn't they have to know where it was hosted and what the account name was and everything? Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: hammer-ga on 17 Apr 2005 20:00 PDT |
archae0pteryx-ga, Without the help of the people who own/adminster the server computer, getting the details you ask for will be impossible. In brief, someone with a password into the server machine can easily render the website inaccessible via several methods. If the password allows maintenance of email accounts, then email can also be disrupted. A decent hacker can sometimes parlay a limited access password into full root access, at which point they can reassign IP addresses, kill the web server process, muck with name services, etc. You are not being specific enough about the error messages or the nature of the web service to give your more information about what may be going on. For example, if the site has its own domain, you can try pinging it. Ping should give you back an IP address. You can then confirm that IP address with the web server to make sure they match, but you'll need to be able to contact the hosting service for that. Bottom line: Yes, someone with a password could cause the behavior you describe. So could the hosting service messing up a cofiguration setting. Only the host really has the access needed to figure this out. - Hammer |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: hammer-ga on 17 Apr 2005 20:08 PDT |
archae0pteryx-ga, I'm sorry, I just realized that you never said the person had a password. I was confused by a comment. To answer your questions: <<1. What can a third party do to interfere with someone's maintenance of his or her own personal website?>> If they hack the server, anything they want. Since servers sit out there 24 hours a day, the hackers have plenty of time to find a way in. <<2. How could such interference be detected?>> By evaluating the symptoms and digging throgh log files looking for missing information. Hackers often cover their tracks by deleting pieces of key log files. <<3. What can the website owner do to counteract and/or defend against such an attack?>> Nothing. The owner of the server computer (the hosting service) is responsible for locking down the server. The individual websites do not have access to the necessary settings, unless they have root access to the server. This access is available with certain hosting packages, but I don't know if you have one of these. - Hammer |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 17 Apr 2005 20:51 PDT |
Hammer, It sounds like you know the answer and will probably want to post it. I'd just like to clarify a point. You said, "You are not being specific enough about the error messages or the nature of the web service to give your more information about what may be going on." Here is a nonexistent domain name. I just made this up.-> jkljkl.com If you try to go there, you get the same error message that we get in typing in the domain name in question, which was a working site for many years up until a few days ago. The website owner has a domain name that is currently registered until about 2009. He also said that he has a very strong and unguessable password for his account that was put in place a while back, well before this problem arose. So, Hammer, are you saying that someone can get into a server directly and mess with a person's website without going through any kind of account access or password process? How would they even know what server the website was on? Is that something that your ordinary hacker could do, or would it require special equipment and some kind of genius? Is it a whole lot of trouble? Is it something a person with good Internet skills would be likely to go to the trouble of doing just to shut up someone who was a thorn in his side? How do you ping a site? Thanks, Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: hammer-ga on 18 Apr 2005 05:11 PDT |
<<He also said that he has a very strong and unguessable password for his account>> Famous last words... :) <<So, Hammer, are you saying that someone can get into a server directly and mess with a person's website without going through any kind of account access or password process? >> That's what hacking is all about. Getting access to a computer via any number of means. This can include exploiting flaws in the operating system, using automated password crackers, or "social engineering" (tricking someone into revealing their password). Once the hacker has even limited access to the server, that access can be parlayed into full root access. At that point, they can affect accounts other than the one they hacked in through. <<How would they even know what server the website was on?>> That part is easy. Your website has an IP address. That IP address is registered as being within the range belonging to a particular server. <<Is that something that your ordinary hacker could do, or would it require special equipment and some kind of genius? Is it a whole lot of trouble?>> Depends on the server and how much attention they pay to security. You can download a set of scripts from the Internet that will sit there pounding on servers for you. <<Is it something a person with good Internet skills would be likely to go to the trouble of doing just to shut up someone who was a thorn in his side?>> You don't actually need much skill. A combination of malice, boredom and a hacking script you don't actually understand is often sufficient. I've seen people do some truly insane things because of an Internet posting. Keep in mind that, by being a thorn in someone's side in an Internet environment, you have said something upsetting and/or embarassing in a place which is very public and strangely permanent. Imagine if someone walked into your office evey morning and wrote something disparaging about you on the wall where everyone would see it. If you couldn't make it stop, and you couldn't clean the wall, it would become very upsetting day after day. Upset people do things. If this is a hack, this person may consider it to be an act of self-defense. The combination of anonymity and the intangible quality of digital property can cloud a person's judgement sometimes. A person who would never vandalize your house, doesn't see the parallel in vandalizing your website. As to figuring out if this is malice or simply a misconfigured web server, again, you will need the help of the host. - Hammer |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 18 Apr 2005 13:56 PDT |
Thanks, Hammer. I think you should post as an answer (ok with me if it just points to the comments). I think you answered everything I asked and more. Just to clear up one point--he is not posting disparaging things about people. He is allowing space for open discussion of factual information that others, for their own reasons, would prefer to repress. It's all very political, not personal. But regardless, it can't be legal to cut off someone's access to his own personal, legitimate, legal, and paid-for web service. Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 18 Apr 2005 16:11 PDT |
And--to take your analogy--it is more as if I wrote something on *my* wall that someone over there in another cube didn't like (even though it was not about him), and he came in and took out my wall. |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: peroxide-ga on 25 Jun 2005 10:26 PDT |
RedTyphoon - You've either watched Hackers one too many times, or you forgot to mention the real author of the hacker's manifesto. It's The Mentor. =) |
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Re: Hacking websites - need real Internet guru
From: sharedinterest-ga on 22 Sep 2005 06:01 PDT |
People forget that hacking isn't just about sitting at a computer and typing script. Hacking is also a social event as well. Many hosting companies only ask for trivial security information to obtain access to key things such as passwords or ftp access. Domain hi-jacking is a big concern as many people ignore what they think to be junk mail, only to find out it is a domain transfer request. The best thing to do is registrar lock your domain names, and request that the account be locked unless a keyword is used. A good site I found that can explain hacking password protected websites is www.hackerscatalog.com. They have a CD there that has tools one would use to hack into password protected websites, such as ftp:///yourdomain.com. and so on. If you want to learn how or why it happened to you, look at domain hi-jacking on the internet and go to the site above and see some of the material they carry and learn some of it. When you understand how it happens, you can guard against it. SharedInterest |
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Re: Hacking websites - HackersCatalog.com
From: kissmymoore-ga on 16 Jan 2006 07:45 PST |
The last comment in this thread was to check out the hackerscatalog.com website and learn some of the things there. I did in fact take the advice of the thread and pick up the hacking password protected cd-rom you speak of. I also picked up a couple more titles. Needless to say, before reading this article, I didn't know sites like this existed. I in fact have leared allot since then with the help of other blogs, threads and materials obtained through the site mentioned that I have tighted up my computer systems and I am not so nieve anymore. Thank you again for your recommendations and a quality website recommendation. Mr. Moore |
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