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OIL, GAS or ELECTRICITY for home heating/cooling and appliances?
Category: Family and Home Asked by: sabian-ga List Price: $100.00 |
Posted:
21 Apr 2005 18:47 PDT
Expires: 21 May 2005 18:47 PDT Question ID: 512523 |
BACKGROUND: We are buying a house with the following existing utilities: 1 - OIL (Inground Tank) for Heat and Hot Water; 2 - ELECTRICITY for the Range, Oven, and Dryer There is NO GAS in the house, but the gas lines are in the street. We are considering CONVERTING TO GAS for Heat, Hot Water, Oven and Dryer. QUESTION: WHAT IS THE BEST ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY UTILITY COMBINATION FOR A HOME IN MORRISTOWN, NEW JERSEY - OIL FOR HEAT & HOT WATER WITH ELECTRIC FOR RANGE, OVEN AND DRYER? or GAS FOR HEAT, HOT WATER, RANGE, OVEN AND DRYER? |
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Re: OIL, GAS or ELECTRICITY for home heating/cooling and appliances?
From: itsekurity-ga on 28 Apr 2005 08:49 PDT |
Well, you can calculate exactly what your odds are going to be using this site for morristown New Jersey. Your Utility company will be PSE&G btw. You can get all the details from these sites exactly based on your estimated use etc. Oil is somerthi electrical Rate Comparison http://www.locationnj.com/Electric_Rate_Comp.asp Gas Rate Comparison http://www.locationnj.com/Gas_Rate_comp.asp Overall Energy Rates http://www.locationnj.com/Energy_Rates.asp Also here it shows that if you have a solar load or wind of 2 MW or less based on your annual maximum kW demand, you may be eligible to send excess KWhrs back to PSE&G for a credit. Its titled Help the environment and save money with renewable energy. Its on the PSE&G http://www.locationnj.com/External_link.asp?url=http://www.pseg.com/companies/pseandg/schedules/tariffs.jsp 1-800-436-PSEG (7734) and online address pseg.com. Call anytime for answers about service, billing or to report an unsafe condition. |
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Re: OIL, GAS or ELECTRICITY for home heating/cooling and appliances?
From: nearlykilled-ga on 05 May 2005 06:18 PDT |
I'm surprised your realtor would let you buy a house with an underground oil tank. In NJ it is a huge environmental issue. Have the seller remove it and have the necessary inspection from your local fire dept. If. That thing ever leaks you will pay more for the clean-up than you paid for your house. |
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Re: OIL, GAS or ELECTRICITY for home heating/cooling and appliances?
From: nearlykilled-ga on 05 May 2005 06:23 PDT |
I'm surprised your realtor would let you buy a house with an underground oil tank. In NJ it is a huge environmental issue. Have the seller remove it and have the necessary inspection from your local fire dept. If. That thing ever leaks you will pay more for the clean-up than you paid for your house. Have the gas connected and buy the most energy efficient furnace you can afford. It will pay for itself in five years. Gas is more environmentally friendly than electric and heats things up much faster. My real estate attorney refused to let us buy our house (in NJ) until the oil tank issue was resolved. |
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Re: OIL, GAS or ELECTRICITY for home heating/cooling and appliances?
From: astro1964-ga on 10 May 2005 05:41 PDT |
Do you already have central air conditioning? Is your existing oil baseboard hot water or hot air? Many people overlook heat pumps because of their historically bad rep. However, heat pumps are extremely efficient and can provide your heating/cooling for most of the year. Just make sure you work with a high qualified HVAC contractor. In addition, if your budget allows, look into geothermal heat pumps, also called "geoexchange" systems. These are heat pumps that draw heat/cooling power from the ground rather than the air. However, for most people, a conventional heat pump will yield the most economical solution. However, they are very expensive unless you have an ample supply of well water. If you do already have oil baseboard heat, you wouldn't have to change anything there. Just install the heat pump WITHOUT electric heat strips and use it as your sole source of heating/cooling whenever the temperature is above ~28F. Once the temperature drops well below freezing, let the heat pump run continuously and use the oil burner to supply supplemental heat. Even into the teens, the heat pump will work efficiently, though it won't be able to put out very much heat, which is why you then use the oil burner just to keep up with the extreme heating demands. I live not far from you in Pennsylvania and there were only 24 days this winter where the average temperature dropped below freezing and forced me to use the oil heat in this manner. The rest of the time, the heat pump worked fine to keep my home comfortable. The added benefit of moving to a heat pump (in PA at least) is that the utility company will give you a greatly discounted electric rate. Because of this disciount, my electric bills dropped considerably even after adding in the consumption from the heat pump! So, not only did I use much less oil, I paid less to the electric company. Finally, check the insulation in the house. The attic space should be insulated to at least R30-R40 (10"-13" of fiberglass). Even better is spray foam. Professional installation of a few inches (~R20) of spray foam in your walls and ceiling will stop air leaks, sealing your house and making it much more efficient than even a claimed R30 fiberglass insulation job (because fiberglass doesn't stop air infiltration). The windows should be TIGHT and have no noticable air leaks. Bad windows can lead to 30+% increases in your home energy use. If nothing else, seal them during the winter using the plastic window treatments that you can buy at Home Depot. This can make a huge difference to your comfort and energy consumption. To put it in perspective, a typical old window will lose 10x the energy of your walls. If you want to get really aggressive in your insulation for windows, cover them with window quilts at night. Also, New Jersey is EXTREMELY aggressive with it's solar electric rebates. It would be a no-brainer for me if I lived there. If you have the financial means and the house gets plenty of sun, then a big batch of solar electric panels can greatly reduce your overall consumption. A solar hot water heater is also a possibility and is one of the least expensive ways to reduce the load on your water heater. |
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Re: OIL, GAS or ELECTRICITY for home heating/cooling and appliances?
From: nrgyman-ga on 20 May 2005 19:26 PDT |
first off underground oil tanks are not the problem you are making them out to be, Less than 1/10th of 1 percent will ever develop a leak. However if you want to remove it check with local authorities some locations will allow you to fill it with sand and abandon the tank. Oil to heat your home and hot water even with the higher prices currently is your best option for a warm, clean, and efficient heat. Oil burns at 138,000 BTU per gallon, gas at 90,000 and electric produces 1 BTU per 3.43 kw. So it will take gas and electric longer to heat your home and hot water, than oil and this means it will come on more frequently and cost you more than oil. So clearly you have only one choice. Which oil company will provide you with the best value for your money. adding a heat pump if it is a hot air system would also be a wise decision with a fosil fuel kit for anything under 38 degrees farenhiet. And don't fortget to add humidification. Dry air robs your body of moisture and will make you feel cooler then you actually are. |
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Re: OIL, GAS or ELECTRICITY for home heating/cooling and appliances?
From: andreeank-ga on 07 Oct 2005 11:03 PDT |
I'm very interested about this "geoexchange" system. Does it also provide cold air during the summer? What is the approx. cost of installing it? My house has an old oil heat system and no central A/C, so now I'm searching the best way to upgrade this. Thank you in advance. |
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Re: OIL, GAS or ELECTRICITY for home heating/cooling and appliances?
From: profengineer-ga on 23 Nov 2005 20:07 PST |
Your choice of a heating system depends on the cost of each fuel source, and the cost of the heating equipment you end up purchasing. I live in Canada so I deal in metric (Megajoules and cubic meters). Natural gas has an energy content of roughly 37.7MJ/m3 and #2 oil has an energy content of roughly 39.5GJ/m3 (Gigajoules). Here in Toronto, Ontario natural gas costs about $0.40/m3, oil costs about $0.80/L (1m3 = 1 Litre), and electricity costs about $0.10/kWh (1kWh = 3.6MJ). Thus, relating everything back to energy, natural gas costs $10.61/GJ oil costs $20.25/GJ electricity costs $27.77/GJ On the surface, it would seem that natural gas is the cheapest per unit of energy. Ultimately, all your home heating loads can be translated back into energy. But, we have to look at equipment efficiency to determine which is your best heating source. You can buy gas condensing furnaces now for 90% efficiency or more. There are oil furnaces with high efficiency but less choice on the market. Condensing means the water vapour in the flue gas exhaust is condensed before being discharged outside. Some of the newer furnaces use variable speed blowers and modulating burners from lower electric and fuel consumption during mild weather. So if you buy a 90% efficient furnace, then 90% of the energy in the input fuel is being transfered to your home as heat. The other 10% goes out the flue vent. Most conventional heat pumps are electrically driven, and may or may not be used for cooling in the summer. Heat pumps when used as heating in the winter have an efficiency or COP (coefficient of performance) between 3 and 3.5. This means for every 1kWh of electrical energy input, you get 3 to 3.5kWh (10.8 to 12.6MJ) of heating. The drawback is that the performance of heat pump drops off below freezing temperatures, necessitating heating backup. So, to put it all into perspective, if we compared a 90% efficiency gas or oil furnace and a 3.5COP heat pump, the relative cost to heat a home with an assumed annual heating load of 100GJ is: natural gas $10.61/GJ x 100GJ / 90% = $1178 per year oil $20.25/GJ x 100GJ / 90% = $2250 per year electric heat pump $27.77/GJ x 100GJ / 3.5 = $793 per year The electric heat pump comes out as the winner from an operating cost standpoint, only if winter temperatures are above freezing most of the time. But the cost of a new condensing furnace might be $2000 to $3000 whereas a heat pump with equivalent heating capacity might be $4000 to $5000. In the end, you have to do a life cycle analysis of your present system and your proposed system to decide which one is right for you. Bear in mind, that natural gas combustion results in lower air emissions than oil, and lower than electricity if the electricity is generated from coal. |
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