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Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
Category: Science > Instruments and Methods Asked by: harttx-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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22 Apr 2005 11:28 PDT
Expires: 22 May 2005 11:28 PDT Question ID: 512775 |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: thx1138-ga on 22 Apr 2005 13:12 PDT |
Hello harttx, I have posted this as a comment because I don't have a cast iron (pun intended, see my comments ;) answer for you, but I think it's probably linked to the fact that Iron ore mining and processing has been going on in the area since the 1620's. See: (Chesterfield County) "A number of high-amplitude magnetic anomalies appear in the magnetic field gradient data that are thought to be associated with iron production, including extensive slag deposits and the possible location of the blast furnace. Ground penetrating radar data shows an anomalous reflection in the vicinity of the suspected blast furnace, which is partially beneath the modern roadway." http://www.archaeophysics.com/falling/index-main.htm "Chesterfield's Location Location in Virginia" http://www.co.chesterfield.va.us/Maps/chesmap2.asp Also look at the number of Iron works currently in the area: ://www.google.com/maps?li=lmr&hl=en&q=iron+loc:+Blackstone,+VA+23824&num=10&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 If you think this answers your question, just let me know. Or it might be that another researcher can answer your question with more accuracy. Regards THX1138 |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: harttx-ga on 22 Apr 2005 14:22 PDT |
My problem with the otherwise very logical answer of thx1138-ga is that the area he is referring to is quite a bit north of the area I refer to by I'm guessing 40 to 60 miles(starts near Dewitt, VA) AND on the same trips (which is all) where I get the anomaly from Mile 38 to 52 of the 85, I also usually pass through a large area of Chesterfield County without so much as a bounce of the compass. Maybe we've found "Cheney's Cave" (g). |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: thx1138-ga on 22 Apr 2005 14:43 PDT |
Hello harttx, No, "Cheney's Cave" is a good deal North of the area you are concerned with. Have a look at the maps on this site ;-) http://www.cryptome.org/site-r/site-r.htm Regards THX1138 |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: pugwashjw-ga on 22 Apr 2005 23:12 PDT |
Does the same area affect operations of two way radios. I experienced a situation where two way radios simply would not function between two towns only nine miles apart. The reason was a massive underground ore deposit that simply soaked up the radio waves. |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: omnivorous-ga on 22 Apr 2005 23:33 PDT |
Pugwashjw -- The radio waves might have been absorbed by many things, even leaves and pine needles. A few years ago a friend was in charge of installing 825 MHz radios for Metricom, a cell-based communications company. Installations had been going fine until they installed a group on the Hewlett-Packard campus. Radios would send and were operating properly but other radios couldn't receive the signal. It turned out that the pine trees on the H-P campus were absorbing the radio energy and that cell stations had to be moved. My apologies to Harttx for taking this off-topic. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: pugwashjw-ga on 25 Apr 2005 04:13 PDT |
Hi Omni. Your info is very interesting. Were the effects through needles on the trees or a buildup on the ground. And April 1 is long past. with respects. Pug. |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: dfasdfasd-ga on 06 Jul 2005 11:48 PDT |
I suspect that your anomaly is caused by one of the following: 1. A mineral deposit. As far as I know, the iron deposits in your are are "bog iron," which seems unlikely to create a major magnetic anomaly. To pursue this, I would begin by looking at bedrock geology maps of the area, looking for iron-bearing formations, igneous intrusions, etc. Anything that would cause a compass needle to deviate like you describe would probably show uf as an aeromagnetic anomaly, and you said you have checked this. 2. A large man-made concentration of iron or steel. You mentioned that it jumps around on a certain bridge. A steel bridge? You might try walking around with your compass near cars, steel structures, etc. to see what effect they have. I happen to be one of the people who investigated the Falling Creek Ironworks that someone mentioned, and I think you would have to be right on top of something like that to see an effect on your compass. 3. Electromagnetic fields. Are there any high-tension power lines in the area in question? There may be something under or beside the road as well. You mention the compass needle "jumping." have you determined whether this occurs with movement, i.e. moving through static variations in magnetic field, or does it jump when you are stationary, which would indicate some sort or EM signal. I have seen pulsed magnetic anomalies that I suspect were caused by military activities, but I don't imagine such things being strong enough to effect your compass. Cheney's cave? Perhaps. 4. Your car. The trooper was right about compasses in cars. They can point north, but I wouldn't rely on it. they can point different directions in different parts of the car. Try getting out of your car and walking around to get a better idea of the size and geometry of the anomaly without the movement and magnetic fields associated with your vehicle. |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: harttx-ga on 06 Jul 2005 12:31 PDT |
For lack of a definitive answer I asked the VDOT Engineer in Residence for that area. Here is his response: "Don, it could be that the reinforcing concrete in the concrete pavement changes orientation in this stretch of road. As you may know, there were different types of concrete pavement constructed over the years. That stretch may have an unusual arrangement of the structural steel - and then again, it may be something entirely different. Good luck in your search." Ray Varney, PE, LS Petersburg Resident Engineer 804-863-4004 Now I have since checked his response against the actual pavement used and I would declare he has the best answer. At both ends of the anomaly area there is a precise change from open concrete paving to what I assume is concrete with asphalt overlay paving. I would personally send him the $5 except he's a Public Employee and cannot accept monetary benefits from the private use of his position. (g) |
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Re: Unexplained large area magnetic compass anomaly
From: myoarin-ga on 07 Jul 2005 05:58 PDT |
That is interesting, and thanks for posting. At least I appreciate it. :) |
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