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Subject: RELATIONSHIP HELP FOR MY FRIEND
Category: Family and Home > Relationships
Asked by: izzy54-ga
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Posted: 23 Apr 2005 10:42 PDT
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Question ID: 513115
RELATIONSHIP HELP FOR MY FRIEND:  I AM FEMALE IN 50'S & HAVE GOOD
FRIEND IN HER 30'S WHO'S HAVING SERIOUS MARRIAGE DIFFICULTIES.  THERE
ARE ALSO CHILDREN. SHE CONFIDES IN ME & I WOULD LIKE TO HELP, BUT AM
NOT SURE HOW, BESIDES BEING A LISTENER.  HE IS EXTREMELY SECRETIVE &
SUSPICIOUS OF HER, CHECKS HER CELL PHONE MESSAGES/CALLS, READS HER
E-MAIL, KEEPS HER FROM USING THE COMPUTER, SEARCHES HER CAR, WON'T LET
HER IN HIS VEHICLE, IS NOT LOVING OR SUPPORTIVE, EXCEPT WITH THE KIDS.
HE SOMETIMES DISAPPEARS AT NIGHT, SUPPOSEDLY WORK-RELATED.  SHE TRIES
VERY HARD TO DO EVERYTHING, AS WELL AS BE A GOOD PARENT AND HOLD DOWN
A JOB.  SHE SUSPECTS HE COULD BE HAVING AN AFFAIR, OR BE GAY, AND/OR
DEPRESSED, OR USING DRUGS.  HE IS IN A VERY RESPONSIBLE POSITION
PROFESSIONALLY.  SHE JUST DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK AND HE WON'T
TALK, EVER.  NEITHER WANT TO GO TO COUNSELLING. HE IS QUITE POLITE AND
NICE TO EVERYONE BUT HER, IT SEEMS. NEITHER HAVE FAMILY NEARBY, OR
ANYONE ELSE THAT CAN HELP.  HE HAS TOLD HER THAT IF SHE LEAVES, SHE
WILL NOT GET THE CHILDREN.  I AM VERY CONCERNED HOW THIS MIGHT PLAY
OUT.  COULD YOU OFFER ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR HER OR FOR HOW I CAN ASSIST
HER?
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Subject: Re: RELATIONSHIP HELP FOR MY FRIEND
Answered By: nenna-ga on 24 Apr 2005 19:50 PDT
 
Hello Izzy54-ga,

To me, it sounds like your friend is in an emotionally or verbally
abusive relationship with her husband.

Some of the signs of a abusive relationship are jealousy,
possessiveness, emotional withholding, lack of intimacy, infidelity,
verbal abuse, threats, power plays, Tries to isolate you by demanding
you cut off social contacts and friendships, Abuses drugs or alcohol, 
and control games. These are all things you mentioned in your question
your friend is going through. Trying to scare her by saying she would
not get the children is a form of intimidation and controlling by
fear.
Sources:
http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive_signs.htm
http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive.htm
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Many abusers have what is called Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Narcissism is: ?A pattern of traits and behaviors which signify
infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of all
others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one's gratification,
dominance and ambition.?
Most narcissists (50-75%, according to the DSM-IV-TR) are men.
Sources: 
http://samvak.tripod.com/npdglance.html
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?Abusive relationships are marked by attempts by the abuser to isolate
their partner from social interaction. This is due to jealousy and to
an unconscious awareness that outsiders will see the relationship
dynamics and attempt to intervene. (Any signs of independence in their
partner triggers deep seated abandonment fears and jealousy.) The
enforced isolation of abusive relationships also creates an ideal
climate for the progression of addictions in one or both partners.
(Isolation is a common characteristic of addict / alcoholics.?
Sources:
 http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abuse_rel_types.htm
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Abusers usually deny the abuse when confronted with the issue at
first. ?There are many types of denial. When confronted by his
victims, most abusers tend to shift blame or avoid the topic
altogether.
1. Outright denial 
Typical retorts by the abuser: "It never happened, or it was not
abuse, you are just imagining it, or you want to hurt my (the
abuser's) feelings"
2. Alloplastic defense. 
Common sentences when challenged: "It was your fault, you, or your
behavior, or the circumstances, provoked me into such behavior"
3. Altruistic defense 
Usual convoluted explanations: "I did it for you, in your best interests" 
4. Transformative defense 
Recurring themes: ?What I did to you was not abuse - it was common and
accepted behavior (at the time or in the context of the prevailing
culture or in accordance with social norms), it was not meant as
abuse"
Sources:
http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/How_do_you_get_an_abuser_to_recognize_the_abuse_for_what_it_is
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Some of the things you can do are listed here.  Both sides have to
work on changing an abusive relationship. They recommend group
therapy, and say it is very hard to heal without both sides
participating in some therapy. If one refuses to seek therapy or
change, it is best to remove yourself from the situation. Do not let
the cycle of abuse continue. Seek help on your own, away from your
partner.

?It is clear that each abuser requires individual psychotherapy,
tailored to his specific needs - on top of the usual group therapy and
marital (or couple) therapy.?

If someone is being abused, the one thing they need is someone to hear them. 

?People who are abused often feel like it's their fault - that they
"asked for it" or that they don't deserve any better. However, abuse
is never deserved? If you have a friend who is being abused, he or she
needs your patience, love, and understanding. Your friend also needs
you to encourage him or her to get help immediately? let your friend
know that he or she has your full support.?
Sources:
http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive.htm#If%20you%20are%20in
http://kidshealth.org/teen/your_mind/relationships/abuse.html
http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/What_psychological_tests_discover_an_abuser
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Here is some information I encourage you to take and print out for you
friend when you discuss this. It has a lot of questions and
information to help her see the abuse and what she can do about it.
What is your relationship like? 
?	Do you feel that something is wrong with your relationship, but you
do not know how to describe it?
?	Do you feel that your partner controls your life?
?	Do you feel that your partner does not value your thoughts or feelings?
?	Will your partner do anything to win an argument, such as put you
down, threaten or intimidate you?
?	Does your partner get angry and jealous if you talk to someone else?
 Are you accused of having affairs?
?	Do you feel that you cannot do anything right in your partner's eyes?
?	Do you get mixed messages, such as the reason you are abused is
because he loves you?
?	Are you told that no one else would want you, or that you are lucky
your partner takes care of you?
?	Do you have to account for every moment of your time?
?	When you try to talk to your partner about problems, are you called
names such as bitch or nag?
?	Are you prevented from going to work or school, or from learning English?
?	Does your partner threaten to withdraw your sponsorship or send you
back to your country of origin?
?	If you wish to spend money, does your partner make you account for
every penny, or say you do not deserve anything?
?	After an argument, does your partner insist that you have sex as a
way to make up?
?	Does he use the children against you in arguments?  Does your
partner threaten that you will never see the children again if you
leave?
?	Does your partner blame you for everything that goes wrong?
How are you affected? 
?	Are you unable or afraid to make decisions for yourself?
?	Do you do anything you can to please your partner or not upset him?
?	Do you make excuses for your partner's behavior?
?	Are you forgetful, confused, or unable to concentrate?
?	Have you noticed changes in your eating, sleeping, alcohol or drug use?
?	Have you lost interest or energy to do the things you used to?
?	Do you feel sick, anxious, tired, or depressed a lot of the time?
?	Have you lost contact with your friends, family, or neighbors?
?	Have you lost self-confidence and feel afraid that you could not make it alone?
What can you do about it? 
?	Realize that emotional abuse is a serious problem and you can get help.
?	Recognize that emotional abuse is as bad as or worse than physical abuse.
?	Take your own safety and the safety of your children seriously.
?	Know that emotional abuse can lead to physical violence or death.
?	Know that you are not to blame for your partner's abusive behavior.
?	Find people to talk to that can support you. Consider going for counseling.
?	Do not give up if community professionals are not helpful. Keep
looking for someone that will listen to you and take emotional abuse
seriously.
?	Recognize that you have the right to make your own decisions, in
your own time, and that dealing with any form of abuse may take time.
?	Trust yourself and your own experiences. Believe in your own
strengths. Remember that you are your own best source of knowledge and
strength, and that you already have the tools you need to survive.
Source:
http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/html/emotional_abuse.html
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Google Searches used:
Emotional Abuse
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=emotional%20abuse&btnG=Google+Search
Abusive Relationships
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=abusive+relationships&btnG=Google+Search

If this answer requires further explanation, please request
clarification before rating it, and I will be happy to look into this
further.
Nenna-GA
Google Answers Researcher
Comments  
Subject: Re: RELATIONSHIP HELP FOR MY FRIEND
From: steph53-ga on 23 Apr 2005 14:13 PDT
 
This guy sounds like a volcano about to erupt. The way he is treating
your friend is controlling and abusive. This is no way for your friend
to live. She isn't in a marriage, she is in prison. First of all, its
illegal for even a spouse to read another's e-mail. Tell her to get
another password.

You, as her friend, may gently point out the areas whereby her
husband's behaviour is just not acceptable. I seriously hope, as
neither wants to go to counselling, that she is considering getting
out of this intorable situation before her husband goes off the deep
end. Advise her to see a lawyer as soon as possible.

Steph53 ( Not a researcher..just a concerned commenter )
Subject: Re: RELATIONSHIP HELP FOR MY FRIEND
From: czh-ga on 23 Apr 2005 15:10 PDT
 
Your friend's husband is emotionally abusive. Here's a site to help
you get started on figuring out how to help her. I suggest that you
review the whole site but here are some starting points to address the
questions you raised.

http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/html/abuse_signs.html
You may be becoming or already are a victim of abuse if you: (see list)

http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/html/emotional_abuse.html
Are You Emotionally Abused? Questions for Women in Heterosexual Relationships

http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/html/how_to_help.html
Responding to Emotional Abuse: How You Can Help Someone You Know

http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/html/question__4.html
How do I respond to a woman who is being abused?
Subject: Re: RELATIONSHIP HELP FOR MY FRIEND
From: stressedmum-ga on 24 Apr 2005 22:31 PDT
 
Oh dear, this sounds awful, but as someone who has tried to 'be there'
for a couple of friends in this situation, let me advise you in the
strongest possible terms to BE CAREFUL!

Don't initiate any action, no matter how sensible or logical or
helpful they may be. Any change has to come from *her*. If he's about
to erupt, then she needs professional, informed guidance.

Continue to listen -- that's a really significant 'gift'; don't
underestimate it -- and get yourself as informed as possible regarding
women's refuges, domestic violence helplines, etc. so that if a crisis
occurs, there are suggestions you can make.

But do hear me when I say that "no good deed ever goes unpunished" and
apart from the really obvious dangers in becoming involved in a
volatile situation, there's also the soul destroying realisation that
you've been a pawn in a very dysfunctional 'game". In my personal
experience of this, I realise now that my friend, the wife, used me as
a quasi counsellor to get her unhappiness and anger off her chest, and
she would go on and on and on about how much she wanted to leave and
how awful the husband was, etc, and would I help her. I would
sympathise and be as supportive as I could be and offer her a place to
stay and money etc.

Well, she never did leave him, the toxic relationship is still going
strong, and neither of them can forgive me for knowing too much about
their relationship. I still feel manipulated and very hurt,and, to be
honest, a bit stoopid, and they both feel utter contempt for me. If
your friend does need help, do it with your eyes wide open.

Continue to listen to her, but point out firmly to her that it's quite
simply not an option to "not be interested in counselling". If the
situation is as bad as she says, then she has an obligation to her
children and to herself (not to mention the friends she's confided in)
to get help quickly. I imagine it would also help her in a custody
battle to demonstrate that she was trying to seek a resolution to this
problem. Professional help is imperative here so they can do what they
do best and who will do far more than you ever could, however kind and
wonderful your intentions are. (And they are kind and wonderful --
she's lucky to have such a caring friend.)

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