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Subject:
Bacteria culture for fish ponds
Category: Science > Biology Asked by: monroe22-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
28 Apr 2005 09:01 PDT
Expires: 29 Apr 2005 20:56 PDT Question ID: 515379 |
I have an outdoor pond of 2000 gallon capacity, with plants and fish. Proper maintenance includes periodic additions of a liquid culture of non-pathogenic bacteria, which I purchase. Is there a convenient method whereby I could grow my own supply by adding some of the commercial product to a sterilized medium of my own making, such as beef broth? I am not a bacteriologist, but am a chemist, and would not be discouraged by technical info. Thanks, monroe22 |
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Re: Bacteria culture for fish ponds
From: telnady-ga on 28 Apr 2005 10:57 PDT |
Theoretically, there is always a way to grow your own bacterial cultures. It would be helpful to know what the bacterial species is so that specific culture requirements can be found. |
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Re: Bacteria culture for fish ponds
From: monroe22-ga on 28 Apr 2005 13:41 PDT |
telnady-ga: The commercial product is proprietary, gives no info other than non-pathogenic. Having the microorganisms identified by a lab would be too expensive. Will have to use educated guesses. monroe22 |
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Re: Bacteria culture for fish ponds
From: telnady-ga on 29 Apr 2005 12:10 PDT |
Your comment about the prohibitive cost of testing has urged me to revise my comments here pertaining to your case. There are 2 issues to consider here: 1. The specificity of the product. Bacteria and funghi are everywhere in our environment. While you can grow any bacterial culture yourself, it takes at least a modestly equipped lab to ensure that what you are growing is indeed ONLY the bacteria desired, and not other contaminants that may be circulating in the room. Although these bacterial contaminants may be relatively harmless to you, it's anyone's guess what they would do to the micro-environment of the pond in concentrated form. Most labs use antibiotics, selective nutrients, and minerals in their media brew to selectively grow one group of bacteria while inhibiting unwanted ones. When these media are not available (or when they don't know what they want to select against as in this case) they must use ultra-sterile techniques to ensure that what grows on the less selective media is indeed only what they set out to grow. 2. Cost. While basic media is relatively cheap, the more selective media can get quite expensive (especially ones with antibiotics). Furthermore, cheap versions of the media need to be prepared by the end users (from powdered form) and generally needs a fairly sterile environment. It is possible to buy ready-to-use media, but again it becomes quite expensive. It comes down to a dilemma between spending on lab equipment (autoclave, beakers, Petri dishes, loops, etc) or buying glorified media that comes ready to use. You will also need to buy or improvise an incubator capable of relatively sustained temperatures (whatever the temperature of the pond is would be a good indicator). It makes you wonder whether the proprietary mix is a justified cost after all! Here are some links for purchasing media: www.difco.com www.hardydiagnostics.com www.ravenlabs.com Good luck. |
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Re: Bacteria culture for fish ponds
From: monroe22-ga on 29 Apr 2005 13:21 PDT |
telnady-ga: Many thanks for your astute comments. I believe I will continue to purchase the commercial product and forgo a new career as a microbiologist. Are you a GA Researcher? If so, post your comment as an answer and I will pay for it. monroe22 |
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Re: Bacteria culture for fish ponds
From: telnady-ga on 29 Apr 2005 17:51 PDT |
Dear monroe22, Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately, I am not a GA researcher yet (I plan to apply when they start hiring again). Nevertheless, it was a pleasure to be able to assist you as it also helps keep me sharp. telnady |
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Re: Bacteria culture for fish ponds
From: monroe22-ga on 29 Apr 2005 20:55 PDT |
telnady-ga: You have been most diligent and helpful. I wish I could compensate you for your advice. I hope you are someday a GAR. monroe22 |
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