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Subject: grammar
Category: Reference, Education and News > Homework Help
Asked by: bunny147-ga
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Posted: 30 Apr 2005 17:40 PDT
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Question ID: 516345
Which of these sentences is correct and why?

Everyone loves a soldier, especially me.

Everyone loves a soldier, especially I.
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Subject: Re: grammar
From: callmecrazy-ga on 30 Apr 2005 17:42 PDT
 
Everyone loves a soldier, especially me.
 i am a grammar teacher so i would know
Subject: Re: grammar
From: nelson-ga on 30 Apr 2005 20:07 PDT
 
Yet, proper capitalization escapes your powers.
Subject: Re: grammar
From: af40-ga on 01 May 2005 00:07 PDT
 
The second sentence is correct. The way to figure this out is to think
of what is being said. Would you say, "I love a soldier." or "Me love
a soldier."? Many people get confused as to how to use 'me' and 'I'.
For example, people might (incorrectly) say "She and me went to the
store." But if you remove 'she' and just leave 'me' the sentence would
sound awkward: "Me went to the store."

Another way you might think of the sentence is to change the words around:

"I especially love a soldier."

'I' serves as the subject (subjective case) whereas 'me' would serve
as the object, as in:

"She gave me the book." In this sentence 'me' is the indirect object. 
(Ask: She gave the book to whom? Answer: She gave the book to me. )

I hope this is useful.
Subject: Re: grammar
From: nproctor-ga on 01 May 2005 01:00 PDT
 
The second sentence is technically correct from a grammatical
perspective, as af40 has pointed out.

However, it is of an extremely clumsy construction, and should
probably not be used in such a form anyway!
Subject: Re: grammar
From: justaskscott-ga on 01 May 2005 01:04 PDT
 
I believe "especially me" is correct, for similar reasons to why "It's
me" is as valid as "It is I."  I can't explain this view well (at
least not yet); perhaps there's a grammar expert out there who can.
Subject: Re: grammar
From: myoarin-ga on 01 May 2005 05:31 PDT
 
As af40 and nproctor point out, "especially I" should be correct if
English grammar followed absolute rules, as math does.
But it doesn't, thank goodness, or we would all be continually making errors.
Imagine what would happen if we were all computers and just refused to
understand if there were a grammatical error in what someone else
said.

"Especially me" is what most of us would say and would expect to hear.
I think this is because in this sentence, the phrase is similar to
"except me" or "except for me."  We also expect to hear "me", because
the phrase, following the subject "soldier", seems to be modifying it.
 (e.g. "Everybody loves a soldier, especially him." - that one,
special soldier.)  It isn't, of course, and my example could be
ambiguous, maybe referring to some gay man who loves soldiers.
As nproctor mentions, it is a clumsy construction.  Because English
does not use tenses as strictly as Latin and German do, sentence
structure and word order are important for clear and proper
expression.

It's me.  C'est moi, as the French say.  They can't talk no better!  ;-)
Subject: Re: grammar
From: markj-ga on 01 May 2005 06:04 PDT
 
Since this question was put in the "homework help" category, I think
it should be emphasized that the use of "me" in the sentence is
incorrect, unless the speaker was Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower reacting
to the popularity of "We [or I] like Ike" buttons in the presidential
campaign of 1952.
Subject: Re: grammar
From: callmecrazy-ga on 01 May 2005 10:24 PDT
 
see all these people agrree with me Everyone loves a soldier, especially I.
Subject: Re: grammar
From: justaskscott-ga on 01 May 2005 11:18 PDT
 
To clarify my original comment, I believe "especially I" is also
correct.  But I wouldn't use "especially I" when speaking, and perhaps
not even when writing, depending on the context.
Subject: Re: grammar
From: journalist-ga on 01 May 2005 13:33 PDT
 
Greetings Bunny147,

"Especially I" is correct as the subject of who else loves a soldier. 
See Af40's comments above.

"Everyone loves a soldier, especially me (loves a soldier)."
"Everyone loves a soldier. Me especially loves a soldier."

"Everyone loves a soldier, especially I [love a soldier]."
("Everyone loves a soldier. I especially love a soldier.")

Best regards,
journalist-ga

Following is a list of personal pronouns:

Subject  Object   Possessive   Compound Personal Pronoun 
I         me       my/mine         myself 
you       you    your/yours       yourself 
he        him       his           himself 
she       her      her/hers       herself 
it        it        its            itself 
we        us      our/ours        ourselves 
you       you    your/yours       yourselves 
they     them    their/theirs     themselves 

http://www.eharlequin.com/cms/learntowrite/ltwArticle.jhtml?pageID=030317wg01001
Subject: Re: grammar
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 01 May 2005 14:06 PDT
 
It's elliptical.  If it were complete, it would say something like this:

  Everyone loves a soldier, as especially do I.

However, the content and structure of the sentence tell us clearly
that this is not formal academic prose, and so it is subject to
somewhat looser rules.  In informal writing there is a lot of latitude
for expressions that are idiomatic even if not strictly correct.  As
an editor, I would not change "me" to "I" if I were editing a
manuscript in which the author had used this construction.

Archae0pteryx
Subject: Re: grammar
From: myoarin-ga on 01 May 2005 18:09 PDT
 
Listen here, kids
That is the word
of the original
   Big Bird!

Girls who "especially" love soldiers don't waste time considering the
finer points of grammar and elliptical phrasing, and  -I expect/hope- 
that the rest of them (all girls) don't make that a condition for
their emotions:

"I want to hear you say you love me."
"I 'love me', if that is what you want to hear," nuzzle, nuzzle.
"No, you should  - I mean, I want to hear you say that you love me."
"I just did."
"No, you said: 'I love me.'  That is narcissistic."
"What do yellow flowers have to do with it?  I want to love you."
"Just wanting to doesn't count.  Lots have 'wanted to.'  I want you to
really love me."
"That's what I just said."  
....
Subject: Re: grammar
From: af40-ga on 01 May 2005 19:36 PDT
 
I assumed that the individual who posted this question is looking for
correct grammar. If grammar is not an issue, then anything goes and we
should all simply invent our own rules.
Subject: Re: grammar
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 01 May 2005 20:38 PDT
 
af40,

Nobody would say, "She and me went to the store."  It's "Me and her
went to the store."

Archae0pteryx
Subject: Re: grammar
From: justaskscott-ga on 02 May 2005 00:15 PDT
 
I believe the basic problem is that "especially me" doesn't fit well
in this sentence.  The reader's brain has to spend a moment to figure
out whether "me" refers back to "everyone" or to "solider."  The "I"
in "especially I" refers more obviously back to "everyone"; but
"especially I" is so unfamiliar that the reader's brain will still do
a double take.

The sentence could read: "Everyone -- especially me -- loves a
soldier."  The phrase "especially me" would function as an appositive
(or something like an appositive) to "everyone."  But that still looks
a bit awkward to me.

Another possibility is: "Everyone loves a soldier; this is especially
true for me."  Perhaps "especially me" is a shorthand for "this is
especially true for me."
Subject: Re: grammar
From: myoarin-ga on 02 May 2005 19:19 PDT
 
Now I know what's been bother me the whole time:  the sentence is just all wrong.

If everybody loves a soldier, then it is superfluous to add "especially me,"
Maybe, "speaking for myself" (and lets not discuss that "myself" is
reflexive without an antecedent).

And  (and now you know how serious I am being) Everybody loves a
sailor, not a soldier...

"Anchors aweigh!"
Subject: Re: grammar
From: foamie-ga on 24 Jun 2005 05:55 PDT
 
Sorry to be a bit late on this one.  The correct structure depends on the meaning.

If 'I' am someone who especially loves soldiers, then it's 'everyone
loves a loves a soldier, especially I.' 'cos 'I' is the subject.

However, 'I' could be that soldier that everyone especially loves, in
which case the other phraseology is correct.

Also, there's a fair bit of sexism in the comments, eg 'a gay man who
loves soldiers' or 'girls don't wast time...' etc.  :).  Don't foget,
there are female soldiers out there as well!

Foamie

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