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grammar
Category: Reference, Education and News > Homework Help Asked by: bunny147-ga List Price: $2.50 |
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30 Apr 2005 17:40 PDT
Expires: 30 May 2005 17:40 PDT Question ID: 516345 |
Which of these sentences is correct and why? Everyone loves a soldier, especially me. Everyone loves a soldier, especially I. |
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Re: grammar
From: callmecrazy-ga on 30 Apr 2005 17:42 PDT |
Everyone loves a soldier, especially me. i am a grammar teacher so i would know |
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Re: grammar
From: nelson-ga on 30 Apr 2005 20:07 PDT |
Yet, proper capitalization escapes your powers. |
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Re: grammar
From: af40-ga on 01 May 2005 00:07 PDT |
The second sentence is correct. The way to figure this out is to think of what is being said. Would you say, "I love a soldier." or "Me love a soldier."? Many people get confused as to how to use 'me' and 'I'. For example, people might (incorrectly) say "She and me went to the store." But if you remove 'she' and just leave 'me' the sentence would sound awkward: "Me went to the store." Another way you might think of the sentence is to change the words around: "I especially love a soldier." 'I' serves as the subject (subjective case) whereas 'me' would serve as the object, as in: "She gave me the book." In this sentence 'me' is the indirect object. (Ask: She gave the book to whom? Answer: She gave the book to me. ) I hope this is useful. |
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Re: grammar
From: nproctor-ga on 01 May 2005 01:00 PDT |
The second sentence is technically correct from a grammatical perspective, as af40 has pointed out. However, it is of an extremely clumsy construction, and should probably not be used in such a form anyway! |
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Re: grammar
From: justaskscott-ga on 01 May 2005 01:04 PDT |
I believe "especially me" is correct, for similar reasons to why "It's me" is as valid as "It is I." I can't explain this view well (at least not yet); perhaps there's a grammar expert out there who can. |
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Re: grammar
From: myoarin-ga on 01 May 2005 05:31 PDT |
As af40 and nproctor point out, "especially I" should be correct if English grammar followed absolute rules, as math does. But it doesn't, thank goodness, or we would all be continually making errors. Imagine what would happen if we were all computers and just refused to understand if there were a grammatical error in what someone else said. "Especially me" is what most of us would say and would expect to hear. I think this is because in this sentence, the phrase is similar to "except me" or "except for me." We also expect to hear "me", because the phrase, following the subject "soldier", seems to be modifying it. (e.g. "Everybody loves a soldier, especially him." - that one, special soldier.) It isn't, of course, and my example could be ambiguous, maybe referring to some gay man who loves soldiers. As nproctor mentions, it is a clumsy construction. Because English does not use tenses as strictly as Latin and German do, sentence structure and word order are important for clear and proper expression. It's me. C'est moi, as the French say. They can't talk no better! ;-) |
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Re: grammar
From: markj-ga on 01 May 2005 06:04 PDT |
Since this question was put in the "homework help" category, I think it should be emphasized that the use of "me" in the sentence is incorrect, unless the speaker was Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower reacting to the popularity of "We [or I] like Ike" buttons in the presidential campaign of 1952. |
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Re: grammar
From: callmecrazy-ga on 01 May 2005 10:24 PDT |
see all these people agrree with me Everyone loves a soldier, especially I. |
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Re: grammar
From: justaskscott-ga on 01 May 2005 11:18 PDT |
To clarify my original comment, I believe "especially I" is also correct. But I wouldn't use "especially I" when speaking, and perhaps not even when writing, depending on the context. |
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Re: grammar
From: journalist-ga on 01 May 2005 13:33 PDT |
Greetings Bunny147, "Especially I" is correct as the subject of who else loves a soldier. See Af40's comments above. "Everyone loves a soldier, especially me (loves a soldier)." "Everyone loves a soldier. Me especially loves a soldier." "Everyone loves a soldier, especially I [love a soldier]." ("Everyone loves a soldier. I especially love a soldier.") Best regards, journalist-ga Following is a list of personal pronouns: Subject Object Possessive Compound Personal Pronoun I me my/mine myself you you your/yours yourself he him his himself she her her/hers herself it it its itself we us our/ours ourselves you you your/yours yourselves they them their/theirs themselves http://www.eharlequin.com/cms/learntowrite/ltwArticle.jhtml?pageID=030317wg01001 |
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Re: grammar
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 01 May 2005 14:06 PDT |
It's elliptical. If it were complete, it would say something like this: Everyone loves a soldier, as especially do I. However, the content and structure of the sentence tell us clearly that this is not formal academic prose, and so it is subject to somewhat looser rules. In informal writing there is a lot of latitude for expressions that are idiomatic even if not strictly correct. As an editor, I would not change "me" to "I" if I were editing a manuscript in which the author had used this construction. Archae0pteryx |
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Re: grammar
From: myoarin-ga on 01 May 2005 18:09 PDT |
Listen here, kids That is the word of the original Big Bird! Girls who "especially" love soldiers don't waste time considering the finer points of grammar and elliptical phrasing, and -I expect/hope- that the rest of them (all girls) don't make that a condition for their emotions: "I want to hear you say you love me." "I 'love me', if that is what you want to hear," nuzzle, nuzzle. "No, you should - I mean, I want to hear you say that you love me." "I just did." "No, you said: 'I love me.' That is narcissistic." "What do yellow flowers have to do with it? I want to love you." "Just wanting to doesn't count. Lots have 'wanted to.' I want you to really love me." "That's what I just said." .... |
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Re: grammar
From: af40-ga on 01 May 2005 19:36 PDT |
I assumed that the individual who posted this question is looking for correct grammar. If grammar is not an issue, then anything goes and we should all simply invent our own rules. |
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Re: grammar
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 01 May 2005 20:38 PDT |
af40, Nobody would say, "She and me went to the store." It's "Me and her went to the store." Archae0pteryx |
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Re: grammar
From: justaskscott-ga on 02 May 2005 00:15 PDT |
I believe the basic problem is that "especially me" doesn't fit well in this sentence. The reader's brain has to spend a moment to figure out whether "me" refers back to "everyone" or to "solider." The "I" in "especially I" refers more obviously back to "everyone"; but "especially I" is so unfamiliar that the reader's brain will still do a double take. The sentence could read: "Everyone -- especially me -- loves a soldier." The phrase "especially me" would function as an appositive (or something like an appositive) to "everyone." But that still looks a bit awkward to me. Another possibility is: "Everyone loves a soldier; this is especially true for me." Perhaps "especially me" is a shorthand for "this is especially true for me." |
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Re: grammar
From: myoarin-ga on 02 May 2005 19:19 PDT |
Now I know what's been bother me the whole time: the sentence is just all wrong. If everybody loves a soldier, then it is superfluous to add "especially me," Maybe, "speaking for myself" (and lets not discuss that "myself" is reflexive without an antecedent). And (and now you know how serious I am being) Everybody loves a sailor, not a soldier... "Anchors aweigh!" |
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Re: grammar
From: foamie-ga on 24 Jun 2005 05:55 PDT |
Sorry to be a bit late on this one. The correct structure depends on the meaning. If 'I' am someone who especially loves soldiers, then it's 'everyone loves a loves a soldier, especially I.' 'cos 'I' is the subject. However, 'I' could be that soldier that everyone especially loves, in which case the other phraseology is correct. Also, there's a fair bit of sexism in the comments, eg 'a gay man who loves soldiers' or 'girls don't wast time...' etc. :). Don't foget, there are female soldiers out there as well! Foamie |
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