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The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
Category: Science > Biology Asked by: wumply-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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05 May 2005 06:55 PDT
Expires: 04 Jun 2005 06:55 PDT Question ID: 518052 |
I've not found a good clear answer to just exactly what the advantages of this double helical structure are, either in magazines or on the net. I mean I gather the structure permits duplication of genetic information that would NOT happen if the molecules or acids or bases (whatever) were not so arranged. BUT HOW? I know no biochemistry to speak of, but am hoping some answerer or 'commentor' will offer an esplantion or refer me to sites that do. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: gautamthor-ga on 05 May 2005 08:10 PDT |
the "heart" of the secret of DNA being "information for making a cell" lies in the fact that the alphabetof this DNA language consists of 4 bases that go into making a sequence on the DNA - much like how the alphabets in a language can be used to make words and sentences that carry information because of the sequence orders of the bases. Now an amazing property of the DNA bases is that each base can actually bind to "a complementary structure" meaning that the base A will bind to C and T will binds to G. that is what maintains its helical properties (if you calculate the chemical composition of the DNA strand and its repititive backbone - the double helix happens to be the structure that the DNA sequence most favorably adopts). so if you had a sequence that read ATCG - in the DNA - the cell actually first gets you CGAT. (the complement) - and the complement of the complement gives you back the starting base sequence.DNA replicates by making a complementary set of DNA sequences - which get read back to the original - through the process that DNA makes RNA which then converts the sttarting DNA sequence into the corresponding protein. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: mikewa-ga on 05 May 2005 08:47 PDT |
Technically the key requirements for the genetic material are three: it must be able to carry information, the cell must be able to make copies of it and (occasionally) the copies must be slightly wrong. These could be accomplished in many ways: there is no *need* for the molecule to be either double-stranded or helical. RNA acts as the genetic material in some viruses and is often a single-stranded molecule: there are even some viruses that containe single-stranded DNA. What is critical is that the structure of the molecule dictates to the cell a way to create a duplicate of itself. In the normal process, as described by gautamthor-ga, the sequence of bases on one strand automatically determines the sequence on the other since each of the four bases will only form a stable structure with one of the others. In DNA this process is the result of weak bonds forming between certain pairs of bases, but not others, meaning that there are only two possible combinations that attract each other (G - C and A -T) A simple analogy: imagine you have a line of boys and girls, some blue-eyed and some brown, in any combination waiting for partners to dance with. If only blue-eyed will dance with blue and brown with brown, then you can predict what will happen: If the first child is a brown-eyed boy, then the partner will be a brown-eyed girl; a blue-eyed girl will attract a blue-eyed boy, and so on down the line. Once the complete double line is formed, you could separate them and still know what the other line must look like. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: rickyjoey-ga on 05 May 2005 09:30 PDT |
I must disagree with the above comments. Complimentary base pairing is a wonderful thing, to be sure, but that does not answer the question of why the double helical structure of DNA is of any importance. Indeed, "What is critical is that the structure of the molecule dictates to the cell a way to create a duplicate of itself." is very relevant to complimentary base pairing, but I would hesitate before saying that the double helix is crucial in this role. I would agrue that both the double stranded nature and the double helix structure of DNA are quite important. Firstly, one needs to understand that the primary differnce between DNA and RNA is the presence of an oxygen atom in the phosphate-sugar backbone (i.e. DNA= DIOXYribonucleic acid, RNA-Ribonucleic acid) This oxygen makes for much more stable connections along the back bone that enable the structure to form reliable double helix DNA molecules. Yes, RNA can form double strands, but these are rare and are mostly in viruses, which have a considerably high mutation rate, that would be disadvantageous for diploid organisms. Furthermore, many transcription factors (proteins that bind to DNA and promote transctiption or repression of a gene) bind to specific DNA consensus sequences but are also dependent on the presence of major and minor grooves found in those regions that aid in DNA-protein interactions, think T-boxes transctiption factors for instance (Muller and Herrmann, Nature, 389 p884). Thridly, I would argue that the double stranded nature of DNA facilitates in the DNA-protein interactions necessary to compact these massively large molecules into the nucleus. There are several histone protein complexes that bind along the length of the DNA that facilitate compactation, they may also be dependent on major and minor grooves of the double helix. The structured compaction of DNA by histones is necessary to extablishing tertiary organixation within DNA. That is DNA is not linear as we think about it but in contact with regions that may be quite some distance away. To find a regulatory sequence 3000bp upstream of a gene may be indicative of a close physical relationship between this DNA region and the gene of interest in vivo, which is caused by this compaction by histones which is a unique feature to DNA and not RNA.i |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: wumply-ga on 05 May 2005 10:23 PDT |
I've read all the foregoing answers; certainly I will peruse them some more. It is complex, I think. And I surely appreciate them!! But allow me to follow up as below. (As I write, my questions seem clear to me but I often find what is clear to me is often not as clear to my reader. So if you find yourself feeling "I'm not sure what he's driving at", please ask me for clarification.) Would be fair to say the double helical structure provides for duplication of a cell with considerable efficiency, simply because of the intertwining spiral construction? If that is the case, would it suggest or mean that the components (those bases) are so physically positioned that the duplication is abetted by the physical positioning of the bases resulting from the double helix? I mean could things work as well if (as I think rickyjoey hinted) if you had 2 strands side-by-side for a structure--such as if 2 lines of x's were placed side by side and practically touching. Like this: (I could not get them to print closer together here.) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Are there also non-structural factors in the double helix model that also abet duplication? |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: rickyjoey-ga on 05 May 2005 14:04 PDT |
Chromatin can condense and divide among daughter cells quite quickly, but I would not say that this is simply because of the double helix structure of DNA. Although it is important in DNA condensation, there are lots of other components involved. Particularly, you may want to look at components that are involved in attaching centromeres to microtubules during mitosis. I don't think I was hinting that simply having two strands of DNA close to each other is good enough for this. Other components in the cytoplasm are distributed to the daughters by other means, including other DNA and RNA species. These molecules can be segregated randomly (i.e. just left to their own devices), if they are not associated with some cellular components, or localized to certain parts of the cells so that the two daughters are asymmetrical. As for DNA synthesis, I don't recall any information stating that a double helix is important for this process. Although someone may make the argument that DNA polymerase interacts with DNA at specific major and minor grooves, and as such you would expect that DNA synthesis to be interrupted if the DNA secondary structure was not present. There may be some papers on this but I am not that familiar with DNA poymerase specifics. i |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: af40-ga on 05 May 2005 15:12 PDT |
Before Watson and Crick wrote their famous paper on the double helix nature of DNA, other scientists, like Linus Pauling, felt that DNA was a single helix. There was initially no fundamental reason to suspect that DNA had to be double stranded. So, you might answer this question by saying that it may simply be a result of evolutionary fate. But there may also be clear advantages in having duplicate complementary copies of DNA. If you think about it, the two strands are sort of like 'backup' copies because damage on one strand can be repaired by attaching a complementary base. It's always better to have two copies than one. This sort of redundancy is present even in modern human technology as a safety factor. Another possible advantage, as some have mentioned already here, is the simplicity of duplication. If the basic idea is to get two copies out of one, then simply unwinding the strands and allowing complementary base pairs to attach themselves is a cinch. -How might this work with only one strand?- The complementary nature allows identical copies to be made. (Of course, these copies are semi-conservative: after duplication, each of the two copies has one old and one new strand of DNA). |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: pforcelli-ga on 05 May 2005 18:39 PDT |
Just to clarify a comment by af40-ga, Linus Pauling actually proposed a triple helix model of DNA, not a single helix. Furthermore, the benifit of double helix DNA is the redundancy in terms of preventing mutations. The strand that is being copied can be used as a proof against the strand that is being generated. This semiconservative method of DNA replication is really quite cool, as if improper base pairing occurs, binding does not occure (ie the purines (A, G) will not bind to the pyrimidines (C, U, T), this allows for efficient DNA repair mechanisms through the variety of proof reading enzymes. This allows for efficient replication in terms of minimizing mutaions in the genentic material. With regards to mikewa-ga's comment, for evolution, yes, the material must be slightly wrong on occassion, but the rate of errors must be reduced to an absolute minimum. We can see the problem with errors, as a single amino acid substitution, which can arrise from a single base-pair change can result in a lethal phenotype. The double stranded DNA does not inherantly confer any efficiency simply due to its double-stranded, alpha-helical configuration. It is the chemical properties that allow such a structure which confer the benifit of double stranded DNA. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: wumply-ga on 05 May 2005 19:02 PDT |
It is fascinating to read all these answers. I'd like to ask now 2 questions prompted primarily but not entirely by pforcelli-ga's comment. They are: 1. HOW do the chemical properties allow the double helical structure? 2. Why, from an evolutionary standpoint, must there be some (tho' rare) errors in the copies? |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: rickyjoey-ga on 05 May 2005 19:59 PDT |
The simple answer to your second question is that evolution (as per Darwin's theory of natural selection) can be most easily (or is that parsimoniously) defined as "descent with modification". That modification is manifest in mutations that affect some aspect of a gene, e.g. expression levels, timing, patten, or the RNA and proteins produced from that gene. the descent part meand that these changes must be passed down to the next generation. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: xarqi-ga on 06 May 2005 00:01 PDT |
Umm - it is actually a whole lot simpler that has been portrayed here. It comes down to a topological solution to two conflicting requirements. First, DNA must be extremely stable, and second, the code sequence must be easily available. Here's how it is resolved. The two strands are not chemically connected! They are held together by very weak polar interactions. That means that they are easily separated to allow the enzymes like RNA and DNA polymerase to access the enclosed code. BUT - because the two strands are intertwined in a double helix, it is impossible for them to fall apart! The double-helix allows easy access to the coding bases by allowing local unwinding, but it remains globally stable due to the topological constraints. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: af40-ga on 06 May 2005 00:29 PDT |
To pforcelli-ga, Sorry, triple. But as regards your comments: "Furthermore, the benifit of double helix DNA is the redundancy in terms of preventing mutations." there also seems to be a redundancy in our answers, if you scroll above, where I say: " If you think about it, the two strands are sort of like 'backup' copies because damage on one strand can be repaired by attaching a complementary base. It's always better to have two copies than one. This sort of redundancy is present even in modern human technology as a safety factor." |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: af40-ga on 06 May 2005 00:57 PDT |
I will try and answer wumply-ga's questions: 1. Most structural conformations, in, say, proteins, or DNA, or any organic compound really, are due to various chemical and bond interactions. In DNA the base pairings are actually rather weak hydrogen bonds that can be broken apart (denatured) at high temperatures. I believe the G-C bonds are somewhat stronger than the A-T bonds because the former are triple hydrogen bonded as opposed to double, and this can actually be a useful tool in examining the nature of strands of DNA. 2. You asked 'why' there must be mutations. First, let me state that a mutation in an autosomal DNA will not have any effect upon evolution because the DNA is not passed on to offspring. Whatever happens- whether the DNA is repaired- or whether the outcome is deleterious- or if it is (rarely) advantageous- stays with the individual. On the other hand, if the sex chromosomes are affected, and are passed on to offspring, there is a very rare chance that such genetic information provides some advantage to the offspring which may be passed on from generation to generation. In evolutionary terms, when we speak of an evolutionary advantage, we really mean differential reproduction, because it does not matter what the genetic effect is unless the end result is more offspring. This advantage may be the ability to gather food more easily and thus it enhances the viability of the organism. With greater viability, reproduction may also be enhanced because the individual has more time to reproduce. Or, this selection can be based on sexual phenotype alone. If you look at the male peacock, for example, you may notice that it has a colorful set of feathers in its tail fan. It is clear that this very colorful set of feathers is not directly advantageous in terms of survivability. But for some reason female hens prefer more colorful feathers, and so the bigger and more colorful males have more offspring. (Of course, some have argued that the colorful tail is actually highly correlated with some other desirable trait in the male peacock, and thus the colorful tail is merely a signal of a quality male). Whatever the reason for female preference in this case, the selection is sexual. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: mikewa-ga on 06 May 2005 08:15 PDT |
Okay. I don't know how many of the responders are geneticists, but there is enough misleading information here to make this more complicated than necessary. DNA is deoxy, not dioxy. It has one less oxygen than RNA, not one more DNA polymerase does not interact with the grooves, the two strands have already separated by the time DNA polymerase attaches It is complementary, not complimentary. Base pairing does not require the molecule to be double stranded, except during replication. there are single-stranded DNA viruses that work perfectly well, and can pack more DNA per unit volume than double stranded Still, to try and answer a couple of the follow-up questions. If there is NO mutation, then all life would consist of many identical individuals of a single species. The helical nature of DNA is simply an inherent result of the restrictions on bond angles and distances present in the molecule. there is nothing magical about it being a helix, many biological molecules form helices. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: rickyjoey-ga on 06 May 2005 18:09 PDT |
Bravo to mikewa for catching my spelling and structural errors.. how embarrassing.? |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: anthy-ga on 10 May 2005 00:30 PDT |
basically it's so it can be squeezed into a really small space coz if it was layed out it would stretch from earth to the sun, and that's just the dna in one human cell!! |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: mikewa-ga on 10 May 2005 04:52 PDT |
Uh, no. A single cell contains about two metres of DNA |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: ufoolme-ga on 01 Sep 2005 04:50 PDT |
To give a really quick answer... The double helix struture is thought to have come about due to evolution, as it allows more information to be stored safely, whilst remaining effective and efficient than other methods (e.g., Prokaryotes etc) . The double helix structure is not the only struture/shape DNA can be stored in, but it does have its uses - esp as a higher evolutionary organisms require much more DNA information to be stored, and allows for genetic evolution to occur more quickly and safely. The double helix gives more 'bang' for your buck. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: wumply-ga on 01 Sep 2005 12:15 PDT |
Should like to ask the following of ufoolme-ga' particularly...but of others too if anyone feel inclined to respond. First, may I ask what prokaryotes are and how DNA is arranged in them? Secondly, re the double helix structure. What specifically IS it that makes it SO efficient at making copies? Or HOW does it give more bang for the buck? I know no biochemistry; only the generalities in popular magazines and TV/internet news, so if this is too complex a question, let it go. I'm wondering, though, is the double helix more efficient because it allows a part of one strand to be really physically close to a part on the other strand so that the two parts can easily combine ehemically? (This is a 'feeling' of impression I've sort of sensed). Or what? The world is so INCREDIBLE! |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: sofia8-ga on 16 Sep 2005 08:24 PDT |
Because when the DNA is copied in two, one of them is copied from the first strand, and the other from the second. Hope this will clarify at bit all the stuff they have sent you. |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: ufoolme-ga on 26 Sep 2005 05:07 PDT |
Hey ya, wumply-ga. In prokaryotes (bacteria) most or all of an organism's genetic information is stored in one long, circular DNA ring. This circular shape is fine for simpler organisms, but for humans etc - it wouldn't work. Nature is thought to have overcome this problem by changing the shape to a more complex one that of a double helix whereby transcriptions/reproduction can be maintained and monitored allowing more information to be stored, and hence higher life forms such as our selfs to exist! Double helix shapes come in three forms alpha, beta, z(eta?) but the method for dna replication remains the same. In fact it is very similar to that for the circular DNA, with only a few minor changes - that of DNA repair, other kinds of monitoring. Currently theory also suggests that a more complex shape itself could have futher effect, an example of this is with sex determination - but most of this theory is too new to tell either way in my opinion. Tho is kinda interesting to know. By the way Biochemisty can never explain anything to anyone, unless they are a chemist ;p (sorry for any spelling/grammer/annoying errors in this, i'm just writing it out quickly) |
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Re: The significance of the double helical structure of DNA
From: wumply-ga on 26 Sep 2005 17:46 PDT |
Hi ufoolme-ga: Read your Sept. 26 answer but I find I would have still more questions if we could meet and had a DNA model in front of us. But we don't and I see no way (not even email) that such would even be possible or that you would be in a position to spend all that time. But I do apprecdiate the answer you gave me. By the way, I saw no errors in your comment. wumply |
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