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Subject: Spanish Question - Commands
Category: Reference, Education and News
Asked by: patrice29-ga
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Posted: 05 May 2005 10:15 PDT
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Question ID: 518133
Is the command form for reflexive verbs the same as for non reflexive?
ex.
sit   sentarse
seat  sentar
  
spread out             extenderse
spread (someting else) extender

dress (yourself)     vestirse
dress (someone else) vestir

I'm only interested in the singular/fomal (Usted) form for now.
Sente, extenda, and vesta would be the commands for the non-reflexive forms.
Would they be the same or different for the reflexive forms?

Any help greatly appreciated.
Patrice

Clarification of Question by patrice29-ga on 05 May 2005 10:20 PDT
I imagine such a command for, if it exsists, would only be used for
speaking to oneself, unless it is the same as the non-reflexive form.
Please correct anything in my wording or examples if incorrect.

Patrice

Clarification of Question by patrice29-ga on 05 May 2005 10:21 PDT
-typo "such a command form", not "such a command for".
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Subject: Re: Spanish Question - Commands
From: indexturret-ga on 05 May 2005 13:49 PDT
 
-Such a command form can be used when talking to another person. For
example, I tell my guest, "Sit down, please." It helps to think of it
as "Sit yourself down, please", even though we wouldn't say the
"yourself" in English.
-The formation of the command is the same as for non-reflexive verbs:
Present tense stem plus opposite vowel. Don't forget that some verbs
have what's called a "stem change", including "to sit (oneself down)",
"sentarse". Don't be scared of the terminology; it only means that
instead of "sente" you would have "siente" (notice the "ie"). (Anyway,
don't fret about that for now, let's get back to your question.)
-The only other thing to worry about is where to stick the reflexive
pronoun. This is pretty easy. For a positive command, glue it to the
end of the verb: "Siéntese, por favor." For a negative command
("*Don't* sit down"), place it before the verb: "No se siente, por
favor."
-You'll get used to it and soon be a pro!
IndexTurret
Subject: Re: Spanish Question - Commands
From: patrice29-ga on 05 May 2005 15:32 PDT
 
Wow! Really clear comment indexturret.

Thanks much!
Subject: Re: Spanish Question - Commands
From: indexturret-ga on 06 May 2005 08:00 PDT
 
De nada!
I should qualify one thing: as you probably have already learned, Ud.
commands are formed using *the yo-form* of the present tense stem,
plus opposite vowel. This qualification makes no difference to
"sentar", whose yo-form is not special, but it does make a difference
to some verbs, por ejemplo "tener" ("¡tenga Ud.!" not "*tiena Ud.!")
But you knew that already!

And just to beat the topic to death, it is worth noting that there are
a handful of verbs that don't follow this rule at all:
dar (¡dé Ud.!)
ir  (¡vaya Ud.!) (hence "Vaya con Dios")
ser (¡sea Ud.!)
saber (¡sepa Ud.!)

¡Vaya con Dios!
Subject: Re: Spanish Question - Commands
From: xtianrodriguez-ga on 12 May 2005 13:20 PDT
 
The indexturret instructions are helpful but not entirely correct. It
is not enough to use "yo form" of the present tense plus opposite
vowel. What you need is the subjunctive. Example:

verb: tener, subjunctive (present): tenga, then you can use: ¡tenga
Usted! as a command.

Subjunctive are a big source of pain for English speakers... actually
one of the most difficult parts of the language to learn. But for this
form of command, you need to use the subjunctive.

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