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Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
Category: Family and Home > Home Asked by: apartmentrent-ga List Price: $150.00 |
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08 May 2005 03:14 PDT
Expires: 07 Jun 2005 03:14 PDT Question ID: 519120 |
Hello, I'm working on a project under Massachusetts perception of a landlord/tenant lease issue. There are some questions after the following description. I would appreciate if you can help me as best as you can. On Jan. 1, 2003, Tom, Sue, Harry agree to be roommates. They get an apartment together in Massachusetts with a lease which is stipulated as "month-by-month." There is a clause in the lease which says only 3 people will occupy the apartment. However, there are 4 separate rooms in the apartment. (The 4th room appeared to be a living room once.) At this time, not one of the tenants is living in this "4th" room. Tom, Sue, Harry are listed as tenants on the lease, but only Tom acutally signs the lease. Also, Harry's surname is misspelled by 3 letters. On June 1, 2003 Sue moves out. There is no name change on the lease. Sue had informed the landlord she was moving out in writing. Now there is only Tom and Harry. On July 1, 2003 Tom says he's going away for 6 months. He will pay his share of the rent while he gone. Now only Harry is left. On August 1, 2003 Bobby and Santar move into the apatment. Santar moves into the room once occupied by Sue. Bobby moves into the "4th" room. Tom locks up his own room and leaves for 6 months. He gives Harry a lump sum check equal to 6 months for his portion of the rent. From this point on, Harry, Bobby and Santar pay their portion of the rent directly to the landlord. None of them combine the money into one payment. They each send in their own payment. Bobby and Santar put their names on the existing lease and each sign the lease. The landlord was not present during the signing. He was not provided a copy of this "new" lease. However, as these new tenants paid their rent directly to the landlord, their names and payments became known to the landlord, by virtue of their individual checks and names being sent to him. On Jan 1, 2004, Tom arrives back from his 6 month leave. He now occupies his own room. There are now 4 tenants living in the apartment (Tom, Harry, Bobby and Santar). Tom pays his porition of the rent individually and directly to the landlord like the others. On March 1, 2004, Bobby moves out and Peter moves in. His name was not listed on the lease. Nor did he sign the lease. He moved in on a "verbal agreement" among all the other roommates. The names on the lease are shown as "Thomas, Sue, Harry, Santar and Bobby" with only the signature of Thomas. But Thomas, Harry, Santar and Peter are now living the apartment at this time. Each pays his own share of the rent separately and directly the landlord. April 1, 2004: Harry moves out of the apartment, but did not inform the landlord, but did inform his roommates through verbal discussions. His room is vacant from April onwards. Thomas is now paying for for 1/2 share of the apartment. Peter and Santar still pay their 1/4. March- August, 2004: Peter is periodically late with the rent, sometimes by a couple of months. (Even before Peter, the total due for the rent for the aparment ever since occupancy has been late by at least 5 days.) A 14-day notice to quit was issued by the landlord and "accepted/received" by Peter. None of the other roommates knew about this. August 15, 2004: The landlord had sent a letter addressed to Thomas with details of the 14-day notice to quit which had been previously "accepted" by Peter without any of the other roommate's knowledge. The landlord identified he was frequently "lied to" by Peter about the rent being sent. There is enough evidence in writing that specifically identifies Peter as being a main influence on the landlord's decision. September 5, 2004: Evicition notice received with the names Thomas, Harry, Santar and Peter. Payments are in arrears of the current month's rent plus 2 months of Peter's share of the rent. Peter sends to the landlord his portion of the 2-month share upon receipt of the evicition notice. Now, its just the current month due. Questions: 1)What effect will the "3 people" occupancy rule in the lease have under the fact that 4 people occupied the aparment for more than a year. Does that nullify the lease in any way? What about the landlord's knowledge of this during the time 4 people where paying him independently? 2) Does the fact that Thomas being the only one who signed the lease make him the only one liable? What about the risk of those listed on the lease but who have not signed the lease? 3) Does the fact that Sue and Bobby's name were left on the lease as still being there involve them? 4) How likely will a credit bureau look at this incident if it affects the credit history of one of the regularly-paying roommates? (ie: ultimately reported by the landlord). Will the reporting be done upon the filing of the evicition notice? On the judgement of the judge? Can the landlord report the person listed on the lease, who has paid, but not signed the lease? What are the ramifications on the person's credit in this particual situation with roommates decribed above? 5) On the eviction notice, it states: "If the landlord does not file the original of this form (Summary Process Summons and Complaint) on or before the entry date listed onthis form, the court will not schedule the case for trial" If the amount due the landlord is paid in full before the entry date, does the landlord have the right to still file this eviction notice?" (The reason on the eviction notice states: "You failed to pay the rent as required and a 14Day Notice to Quit Served upon you has expired") 6) Does the fact that Harry moved out in April 2004, with not informing the landlord and not changing the lease, somehow get him involved with the eviction notice? Payments to the landlord from Harry ceased 6 months prior to the evicition notice being issued, although Harry's name is on the notice. Appreciate some help with these quesiton. 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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
Answered By: hagan-ga on 10 May 2005 13:10 PDT Rated: |
Wow. Thanks for a challenging and interesting question (or series of questions). Let me start my answer by detailing a few assumptions. First, you did not state whether the original month-to-month ?lease? stated the monthly rent, or the start or end dates. This is significant in Massachusetts, as a so-called ?lease? that does not include this information is not a valid lease at all. (See Marchesi v. Brabant (1959) 338 Mass. 790, 155 N.E.2d 808; http://www.masslegalhelp.org/docs/04.Tenancy-FINAL.pdf, at page 39. Where the tenant does not have a valid lease, he is considered a tenant ?at will.? http://www.masslegalhelp.org/docs/04.Tenancy-FINAL.pdf, page 39. ?A tenancy at will is a relationship created by a tenancy agreement which is ongoing and has no defined ending date.? See http://www-ims.oit.umass.edu/~cshrc/resources/rights.pdf. Month-to-month tenancies are usually ?at will? tenancies, and not leases. Eviction procedures are slightly different for a tenant ?at will? than they are for a tenant with a written lease. I am therefore going to answer the questions both ways ? on the one hand, assuming that there is a valid lease, and then assuming that there is not. In any event, if there is a valid lease at all, it is only as to Tom. The other tenants are all ?at will,? as I will explain further below. Question 1: What effect will the "3 people" occupancy rule in the lease have under the fact that 4 people occupied the apartment for more than a year. Does that nullify the lease in any way? What about thelandlord's knowledge of this during the time 4 people where paying him independently? Answer: In this instance, it doesn?t matter whether we call the agreement a ?lease? or an ?at will tenancy agreement.? In either case, the ?3-people? rule has long since been waived by the landlord accepting rent from all 4 people. See Allen Park Assocs. v. Lewandowski (May 8, 1989) Hampden Housing Court, 89-SP-9400-S; http://www.masslegalhelp.org/docs/13-Evictions-FINAL2.pdf, note 119. It does not ?nullify? the lease. Instead, the landlord has essentially given up the right to enforce it. However, even if the landlord had not knowingly accepted rent from all 4 people, and arguably had not waived the right to enforce this clause, it does not appear from your scenario that the landlord is evicting the tenants because of this violation. The landlord?s notice only mentioned the rent. The tenants? violation of the 3-people rule doesn?t have anything to do with the eviction here. Question 2: Does the fact that Thomas being the only one who signed the lease make him the only one liable? What about the risk of those listed on the lease but who have not signed the lease? Answer: Again, assuming that there was a valid lease at all, the lease itself is only binding on Tom and the landlord. They are the only mutually agreed-upon signatories. The fact that Bobby and Santar signed the lease is meaningless, since the landlord was never advised of this. Quoting from http://www.masslegalhelp.org/docs/02.Moving_In-FINAL.pdf, note 9, page 14: ?A party's secret signature to a lease, unrevealed to the other party, is not valid or binding. Henchey v. Rathbun, 224 Mass. 209, 112 N.E. 862 (1916).? However, that does not let the other tenants off the hook. By taking possession of the premises and paying rent, and having that rent accepted by the landlord, the other tenants have created a tenancy ?at will.? To see how this works, let?s look at the two categories of tenants who are non-signatories. There are tenants (Sue and Harry) who were named in the lease, but never signed. They have the written consent of the landlord to stay (since the landlord signed the lease with their names as tenants), but they never consented to the terms of the lease by signing. They are therefore tenants at will. See http://www.tenant.net/Other_Areas/Massachusetts/mrights.html; and the Massachusetts Tenant?s Handbook at http://www.lectlaw.com/files/lat07.htm: ?A Tenant-at-Will is one who occupies a rented premises without a lease but pays rent periodically (typically monthly). The agreement for the Tenancy-at-Will may be either written or verbal.? Then there are tenants (Bobby, Peter, Santar) who are never mentioned in any lease that the landlord saw or agreed to. However, they have paid rent to the landlord, using checks bearing their names, which the landlord has accepted and cashed. When they first moved in, they did not have any form of agreement with the landlord at all, making them tenants ?at sufferance.? That tenancy ?at sufferance? is converted to a tenancy ?at will? when the landlord accepts their payment. Question 3: Does the fact that Sue and Bobby's name were left on the lease as still being there involve them? Answer: By ?involve them,? I assume you mean ?involve them in the eviction process.? The answer to this should be No. Remember, as non-signatories to the lease, they are not bound by it. They have been ?tenants at will? the entire time. Their tenancies ended when they left and stopped paying rent. Note that they are not named in the eviction complaint. By law, you cannot get a judgment of any kind against a person unless you give them proper notice. That means naming them in the complaint. The complaint is the means by which the court takes jurisdiction over a person -- the court can't just award a judgment against somebody without a complaint against them being filed. See, for example, Massachusetts Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 4 -- "The summons shall...contain the name of the court and the names of the parties; be directed to the defendant...." http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/mrcp4.html Since they are not named in the summons, they are not involved in the action. Question 4: How likely will a credit bureau look at this incident if it affects the credit history of one of the regularly-paying roommates? (ie: ultimately reported by the landlord). Will the reporting be done upon the filing of the evicition notice? On the judgement of the judge? Can the landlord report the person listed on the lease, who has paid, but not signed the lease? What are the ramifications on the person's credit in this particual situation with roommates decribed above? Answer: This is the toughest and most subjective of all your questions, because there are no hard-and-fast rules governing the ?likelihood? of credit inquiries and reports. But we can discuss what rules there are, how credit reports are usually generated, and then extrapolate to your situation. So I?ll start with a general overview of how credit reports are generated, and then discuss each of your questions in turn. There are three major credit reporting agencies (CRAs). These three agencies maintain large databases of information, which they sell to credit-using businesses, such as banks and credit card companies. Typically, the CRA?s agreement with the bank or credit card company requires that the bank or credit card company provide information to the CRA about its customers. This information is how the CRA generates its database. This happens automatically, with the CRA having electronic access to the bank?s or credit card company?s accounts-payable system. So if you owe a payment on a mortgage, and it?s a month late, that information is automatically logged in the bank?s accounts-payable system and uploaded to the CRA. The bank doesn?t make a special ?report? in your particular case ? it?s just information that is in the bank?s file that the CRA has access to. See http://money.howstuffworks.com/credit-report4.htm. CRAs also have access to records of court judgments, and include those in their reports as well. Most landlords don?t maintain such automated access to the CRA. However, many do subscribe to collection services. Collection services often do provide automated access to CRAs. Additionally, it is possible (although unlikely) that a landlord might report a delinquent rental payment to one or more of the CRAs. So to the first part of your question: ?Will the reporting be done upon the filing of the eviction notice?? my answer is Possible, but unlikely. See, for example, http://www.aoausa.com/SECURE/mrLevictionreports.asp. IMPORTANT NOTE: Just because the eviction action will probably not show up on a credit report, that does not make it harmless. There are other kinds of reports where it will show up. Many landlords contract with screening agencies that have access to databases of court filings, for example. An eviction action all by itself ? without a judgment ? will probably never show up in a credit report, but it WILL show up in a database of court filings. The second part of your question, Will the reporting be done ?On the judgement of the judge? The answer to that is probably Yes. One of the items that normally shows up in a credit report is any outstanding money judgment against a person. If any of the tenants gets a judgment taken against them, that WILL show up in a credit report pretty much automatically. See http://www.bankrate.com/brm/bcd/bcd_lenders4.asp. The third part of your question: Can the landlord report the person listed on the lease, who has paid, but not signed the lease? This is a little confusing. You have stated that ?Payments are in arrears of the current month's rent,? as of September 5, 2005. Does that mean that August, 2005, and September, 2005 are both due? Or just September? In any event, the answer is that the landlord can report a delinquent debt, as long as his report to the credit bureau is accurate and truthful. http://www.fair-credit-reporting.com/fair-credit-reporting-act/fair-credit-reporting-1681s2.html. As of September 5, let?s assume that everyone but Peter is paid up through August, with the September 1st rental payment due and owing. The landlord can report that Tom and Santar are four days late with the rent. I would find this very unlikely, but he can do it. He cannot report Harry ? Harry was a tenant at will, remember, having not signed the lease, and has moved out owing the landlord nothing. Finally, you ask What are the ramifications on the person's credit in this particual situation with roommates decribed above? Unless the person ultimately has a money judgment entered against him, his credit is relatively safe, for the reasons discussed above. Question 5: On the eviction notice, it states: "If the landlord does not file the original of this form (Summary Process Summons and Complaint) on or before the entry date listed on this form, the court will not schedule the case for trial" If the amount due the landlord is paid in full before the entry date, does the landlord have the right to still file this eviction notice?" (The reason on the eviction notice states: "You failed to pay the rent as required and a 14 Day Notice to Quit Served upon you has expired") At the outset, even though you don?t specifically ask, I should discuss whether the eviction is properly brought at all. The landlord is required to deliver the 14-day notice to quit to each tenant. See http://www.masslegalhelp.org/docs/13-Evictions-FINAL2.pdf, page 196; and http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/186-12.htm. It doesn?t matter how it?s delivered, as long as each tenant receives proper notice. http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/housingcourt/housingquestions.html#6 Additionally, it is possible for the landlord to waive the notice to quit by thereafter accepting rent. See http://www.masslegalhelp.org/docs/13-Evictions-FINAL2.pdf, page 202. You stated that the original notice to quit was given to Peter, sometime between March and August of 2004. I assume that everyone continued to pay their rent more or less on time thereafter. If the notice was given in March, and the landlord accepted rent in April, May, June, July, and August, then a strong argument can be made that he has waived the Notice to Quit entirely. However, if the Notice to Quit was given to Peter in August, and then confirmed in a letter to Tom on August 15th, then there is not much of an argument there at all. So let?s assume that Peter receives the Notice to Quit in early August. Tom receives the Notice to Quit on August 15th. You haven?t said whether Tom revealed the contents of the Notice to Santar, or whether Santar was named in the Notice to Quit. The Notice to Quit should have named all four people that the eviction action named. If Santar wasn?t named, and the Notice didn?t include a catch-all phrase such as ?all other persons claiming any right, title, or interest in the premises, presently residing therein,? or something similar, then the Notice was ineffective as to Santar and he cannot be evicted. Now let?s assume that the Notice to Quit does name Santar, and that Santar received it from Tom on or around the 15th. So everyone has received the Notice to Quit. More than 14 days has passed, so the eviction action is properly brought. Here is where the difference between an actual lease and a tenancy at will is important. What you are talking about here (stopping the lease by paying in full) is called ?cure.? A tenant may ?cure? his default and prevent the landlord from evicting him, but the time frames within which he may do that depend on what kind of tenancy he has. A tenant who has a valid lease (remember ? if anyone has a lease, it?s Tom only, and even he may not have a valid lease) may cure his default after receiving the summons and complaint by paying all the rent owed, interest on the amount owed, plus costs of eviction, on or before the entry date. So paying the rent owed is not sufficient. The costs of eviction include the filing fee ($110 in housing court or $160 in district court); the cost of service, if any; and the cost of buying the form itself (usually a very small sum). Costs do not include attorneys? fees. See http://www.masslegalhelp.org/docs/13-Evictions-FINAL2.pdf, page 201. For the at-will tenants, the 14-day notice should have included a statement advising them that they could cure the default within 10 days of receiving the 14-day notice, provided that this is their only Notice to Quit within the past 12 months. If the 14-day notice included such a statement, and if the at-will tenants (Peter and Santar, and maybe Tom, depending on whether the lease was valid) actually received the 14-day notice, then the time for cure has passed and payment will not stop the eviction. If the 14-day notice did not include this statement, then the time for cure is the date of entry ? and in this case, only the rent must be paid, not interest and court costs. See http://www.masslegalhelp.org/docs/13-Evictions-FINAL2.pdf, page 201; the specific statute is at http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/186-12.htm. Question 6: Does the fact that Harry moved out in April 2004, with not informing the landlord and not changing the lease, somehow get him involved with the eviction notice? Payments to the landlord from Harry ceased 6 months prior to the evicition notice being issued, although Harry's name is on the notice. As one commenter pointed out, Harry?s name is on the eviction notice because that?s the only way for the landlord to be sure and get his property back. The other tenants-at-will are only there because of their names on checks; Harry is there both because of his name on a check and his name on the original tenancy agreement. When he stopped sending checks, that didn?t remove his name from the tenancy agreement, and the landlord wants to make sure that Harry doesn?t come back and claim a right to enter the premises because of that agreement. However, that does NOT mean that Harry should ignore the eviction action. Harry should immediately notify the landlord in writing that he is no longer a tenant there, hasn?t been for 6 months, was paid in full when he left, and will voluntarily surrender any right to possession of the property in return for a dismissal of him from the eviction action. Harry should not ignore this action. He risks the landlord getting a default judgment against him for any unpaid rent, even though he is not legally liable to the landlord for anything. If the landlord refuses to dismiss Harry, then Harry must answer the complaint and go to court to defend himself. NEVER NEVER NEVER ignore a summons and complaint, even if it?s ridiculous, even if naming you was a mistake. If you ignore the summons and complaint, the court has no way of knowing that you were named by mistake. The court will simply take the complaint at face value and issue a judgment against you by default. Massachusetts Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 55 ? see http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/mrcp55.html for the rule. To see a form request for default, see http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/housingcourt/forms/newcivilrequestdefault55a.pdf. I hope these answers are satisfactory. Thank you for posting your question, it was an interesting and challenging one. Best regards. | |
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The answer was outstanding. I have some further clarification based upon your answer that I am hoping you could provide. I hope the additional compensation in the form of a tip will elicit further information from you. 1) Your answer to Question 4 included the phrase : "database of court filings". Do you happen to have a Massachusetts web link / contact person / resources which accesses this particular web link? Also, you reference a "action date" You stated in your answer to Q4: "An eviction action all by itself -- without a judgement...WILL show up in a database of court filings." Given this information, here is additional information on the Eviction Notice. On the upper right hand part it says "Entry Date (file with Court by) September 16th." There is a stamp on the Eviction notice which is with a Constable's signature dated Sept. 7. Payment to the landlord for the entire amount stated on the Evicition notice was received on September 14th. Tip Question: When you stated, "an eviction action all by itself" are you refering to the (Date of the) action by the Constable (Sept 7)? Is the action The Entry Date listed on the Eviction notice (Sept 14) ? Or is the action the scheduled hearing which appears on the eviction notice (which in this case is Sept 26)? The payment was made before the Entry date of Sept 14? Is it possible the "database of court filings" will include the names on the eviction notice if the payment was made before the entry date? If so, what are the rescindsuch names from the court records. Once again, your answer will provide my research with a great deal of investment in the subject matter I am writing about. |
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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
From: myoarin-ga on 08 May 2005 18:41 PDT |
This is a very interesting question, not just from the price. I hope a researcher will give you a complete answer, even if it refutes my following comments. There are questions about Massachusetts laws that I will only indicate. 1)What effect will the "3 people" occupancy rule in the lease have under the fact that 4 people occupied the aparment for more than a year. Does that nullify the lease in any way? What about the landlord's knowledge of this during the time 4 people where paying him independently? The lease is a legal contract between Tom and the landlord, allowing Tom to let 2 other persons live in the apartment and recognizing that Sue and Harry are these persons, but not restricting occupancy to just them. The landlord could have insisted that a 4th person was a breach of the contract while that was the situation and at that time taken action, insisting that anyone other than Sue or Harry must leave, the responsibility of Tom as the only tenant party to the contract. If the landlord had done this, and Tom had not thrown the person out, the landlord could have given 7 days notice as an ?other-cause eviction?. Mass. Law question: Whether landlord?s knowledge of 4 occupants for more than 12 months abrogated his right to give notice on this ground? (Immaterial to the case the way it is presented.) 2) Does the fact that Thomas being the only one who signed the lease make him the only one liable? What about the risk of those listed on the lease but who have not signed the lease? Yes, Thomas is the only tenant party to the lease, the landlord has no claim on anyone else whom Tom lets live in the flat. Sue and Harry cannot be evicted if a 4th person moves in. Bobby?s and Santar?s names and signatures added to Tom?s copy of the lease contract means nothing to the landlord. Question: Are they binding commitments to Tom to pay their portions of the rent? Mute point, it seems, they did, so they can?t be held responsible for anything else. 3) Does the fact that Sue and Bobby's name were left on the lease as still being there involve them? No, they were not parties to the lease, just recognized as acceptable sub-tenants to Tom. Sue advised the landlord that she was moving out. Bobby?s name added to Tom?s copy of the lease has no significance to the landlord. 4) How likely will a credit bureau look at this incident if it affects the credit history of one of the regularly-paying roommates? (ie: ultimately reported by the landlord). Will the reporting be done upon the filing of the evicition notice? On the judgement of the judge? Can the landlord report the person listed on the lease, who has paid, but not signed the lease? What are the ramifications on the person's credit in this particual situation with roommates decribed above? I pass! 5) On the eviction notice, it states: "If the landlord does not file the original of this form (Summary Process Summons and Complaint) on or before the entry date listed onthis form, the court will not schedule the case for trial" If the amount due the landlord is paid in full before the entry date, does the landlord have the right to still file this eviction notice?" (The reason on the eviction notice states: "You failed to pay the rent as required and a 14Day Notice to Quit Served upon you has expired") The eviction notice is based on unpaid rent, not because of 4 persons in the flat. If the rent is paid prior to the entry date, the court will not schedule the case for trial. As I understand it, the ?entry date? is the date specified as when the tenant may provide the court with his ?answer? to the charge, and if all rents and charges are paid by then (in this story?s situation) the eviction notice is cancelled (or whatever better word applies). The eviction notice named all the known or presumed occupants, of course, regardless of the fact that they were not parties to the lease. 6) Does the fact that Harry moved out in April 2004, with not informing the landlord and not changing the lease, somehow get him involved with the eviction notice? Payments to the landlord from Harry ceased 6 months prior to the evicition notice being issued, although Harry's name is on the notice. Harry is not a party to the lease. Since he has already moved out, the eviction notice is immaterial to him, but as named person on the contract, the landlord had to include him in the notice. Sue (also named in the contract) had advised the landlord that she was moving out, hence her not being named. AND, here is a nice site on the subject: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:reTrVLs5K3wJ:www.ci.somerville.ma.us/CoS_Content/documents/Tenant%2520Helper4th_3_05.pdf+%22entry+date%22+%22eviction+notice%22&hl=de&client=firefox-a |
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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
From: nelson-ga on 08 May 2005 20:38 PDT |
Regarding the following section: Bobby and Santar put their names on the existing lease and each sign the lease. The landlord was not present during the signing. He was not provided a copy of this "new" lease. How can the tenants unilateraly create a new lease? Leases come from landlords. |
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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
From: myoarin-ga on 09 May 2005 09:35 PDT |
Back again, It should be mentioned that the landlord did not serve notice to Tom, his only party to the lease. Giving the notice to Peter, whom he already had grounds to distrust, was inadequate. he should have sent a registered letter to Tom or presented the notice to him in person. I don't know if his describing the situation to him in his subsequent letter "repaired" this. I believe that Tom could claim in court that he was never served notice prior to the eviction order, and thus avoid the order being issued, but that would only delay things until the landlord did give him - Tom - notice due to rents in arrears. The landlord was savy enough to understand that now, with only 3 persons in the flat, he could not give notice on the basis of a breach of the 3-person clause in the lease. It remains Tom's problem if Peter doesn't pay his share of the rent. Returning the Question 4 about credit bureaus: Since Tom is the only person party to the lease, the landlord would only be justified to report about him, and could have been reporting the delayed payment of rent all along, regardless of his knowing that Peter and/or whoever were the individuals that were in arrears (Tom's problem, if he lets them pay directly to the landlord rather than paying the total rent himself and collecting from the others). But that is not to say, that the landlord might have reported Peter or others for their late payments, which would have been wrong, as he did not have a legal claim on them. They could get that removed from their record with the credit bureau. (The landlord doesn't sound like the kind who would be making regular reports to a credit bureau.) I could not discover if the court would report an eviction notice. The land lord could, of course. The ramifications: only Tom has a contractual obligation and could be reported by the landlord for any times the rent was in arrears, even when he was away for six months. Now I hope a legal beagle researcher will come snuffling along and give you a real answer. |
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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
From: apartmentrent-ga on 10 May 2005 03:55 PDT |
myoarin, I appreciate the great detailed insight you have provided as a comment, and the hopes that a legal expert will contribute (offer hyperlinks to Massachusetts legal cases, etc., based upon supporting your observations). Also, Nelson, you have made a good comment. (which may have been verfied by myoarin already). It appears that no matter who's name is listed as an occupant on the lease, including names being added/deleted (("unilaterly" as Nelson observed)without the landlord's presence and signature) as occupants, the fact that Tom's signature as the only one on the lease on the date and in the presence of the landlord makes him responsible for paying the rent. But because the landlord is aware (though previous payments/discussions/original names as occupants), the eviction notice by law must include these other names. Would this observation be a fair assessment? |
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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
From: myoarin-ga on 10 May 2005 04:51 PDT |
HI, glad to try to be of help. The story reminds me of house on Mass.Ave. I once lived in... Yes, Nelson and I agree entirely: Any change to a contract must be noted on all parties' copies of the contract and be signed by those parties (or legal representatives). Such changes could be made in a new document that amended the original contract, but again, copies signed by all would have to be exchanged. Bobby and Santar signing Tom's copy just shows that they are cognizant of the terms of the contract. I was questioning before (1st posting) if that was a commitment towards Tom for their share of the rent, but it is not, since the rent sharing is not mentioned in the contract. They may have thought they were commiting themselves. The eviction notice, as you can read about on that website, gives the landlord the right to get the people out of the apartment, after he has proved to the court that he has grounds to do so. If he left out the name one of someone in the apartment, the eviction notice would not apply to that person. There is a lot of stuff about rental law on the web. I was real lucky to just happen on to that site. Maybe you can find more. As you know, Nelson and I are just commenters and cannot post an answer, so I hope a researcher will come along and provide one substantiated with sources. |
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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
From: myoarin-ga on 10 May 2005 16:03 PDT |
Hagan-ga, You picked a good one for what seems to be your first time at bat! I was releaved to find that I hadn't desiminated too much misinformation. |
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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
From: ohlawstudent-ga on 11 May 2005 12:57 PDT |
That sounds mysteriously like a law school exam fact pattern. Hmm... |
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Re: Legal consequences: Roommates paying rent collectively
From: apartmentrent-ga on 23 May 2005 20:48 PDT |
To hagan, et all you other researchers. The refinement of my understanding of this matter was well worth the investment. Thank you to you, all! |
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