I have 2 Hummels I can't seem to find info on that I got from my
grandmother. They both have the appropriate Hummel signature on the
back yet I can tell they are much older than the other ones I have and
the bottom markings are not listed on the Hummel site. One is a boy
sitting down with Rabbits, some in a basket. The blue mark is so
faded I can't really tell what it looks like however, in black letter
it says simply "Germany" and I think the indented numbers on the
outside rim are 58/0 and there is what looks to be an indented 40 on
the inside center near what was the blue mark. The Chick Girl has the
blue V with the Bee inside it however the black writing says "Western
Germany" and the indented numbers are 57/0. I have what I believe are
later versions of both of these and the paint work is not nearly as
good and I believe the dimensional detail is better on the older ones
as well. I haven't been able to trace these marks on any of the
websites and was wondering how old they might be or if they were just
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Request for Question Clarification by
tutuzdad-ga
on
18 May 2005 14:04 PDT
From 1936-1964 the boy Hummel you mentioned was called PLAYMATES. It
was restyled by master sculptor Gerhard Skrobek in 1964 and became
known as JUST FRIENDS.
PLAYMATES
http://www.hummelexchange.com/consignment/michael_millen/playmates.html
You didn't provide enough information on "chick girl" for me to find
out anything about that one. Can you describe it please?
tutuzdad-ga
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Request for Question Clarification by
tutuzdad-ga
on
18 May 2005 14:14 PDT
I believe this is the one you are looking for:
"History of Hummel Number 57/0 - Chick Girl
First modeled in 1936 by master sculptor Reinhold Unger and later
remodeled in 1964 by master sculptor Gerhard Skrobek. Old name:
"Little Chicken Mother" or "The Little Chick Girl."
HUMMEL EXCHANGE
http://www.hummelexchange.com/consignment/robin_lee/chick_girl.html
Please let me know if these two entries answer your question sufficiently.
Regards;
tutuzdad-ga
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Clarification of Question by
stoweaway56-ga
on
18 May 2005 15:15 PDT
I knew the history of the pieces, I'm actually trying to find out,
based on the marks I've described the approximate year Playmates and
Chick Girl were manufactured. Neither one of them has Goebel on them.
Chick Girl has the Blue V with the small Bee inside it facing forward
(the bee faces forward). But the black lettering says "Western
Germany" not West Germany or Goebel, and the indented numbers are
57/0. I have a later version of The Chick Girl and the dimensional
detail on the mold isn't nearly as good as it is in the Western
Germany version, nor is the painting as fine and I know that the later
version is from around the 50s. Another difference is that the chicks
in what I believe to be the earlier version are turned slightly
differently and also the face in the earlier version appears to be
slightly smaller. There are other slight differences as well making
me think that maybe what I have is an older version done with an
earlier or original mold...
Does that help?
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Clarification of Question by
stoweaway56-ga
on
19 May 2005 06:37 PDT
I forgot to mention that I'd also like to try and get an age on
Playmates as well.
Thanks!
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Request for Question Clarification by
tutuzdad-ga
on
19 May 2005 09:04 PDT
Without being physically examined by a reputable collector, it would
be difficult to judge the age of the figurines. I can, however, give
you a rough idea and well as some resources to do your own impromtu
examination and perhaps come to some fairly accurate conclusion:
The example of CHICK GIRL you have there can be dated between
1960-1972. This is evident by the ?Stylized Bee? accompanied by the
term ?Western Germany?. If your piece has what is known as a ?Large
Stylized Bee?, your figurine can be dated more accurately between
1960-1963.
The example of PLAYMATES you have there is more difficult to date
depending on whether or not the crown, full bee and other trademarks
are present or absent. Judging by the term ?Germany?, the date
suggests that it was made prior to the separation of East and West
Germany or possibly at a time when West Germany and other parts of
Germany were considered the ?US Zone?.
ONLINE COLLECTIBLES
http://www.onlinecollectibles.com/faq/hummelmarks.htm
NANCY?S GIFTS AND COLLECTIBLES
http://nancysgifts.continentalimport.com/hummeltrademarks.html
Does this work for you as an answer your question?
Tutuzdad-ga
SEARCH TERMS:
HUMMEL "BEE MARKS"
HUMMEL "V MARKS"
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Clarification of Question by
stoweaway56-ga
on
19 May 2005 09:48 PDT
It helps a bit on Chick Girl but I checked both of those websites you
mentioned and found no resemblance to the markings on mine so I'm
inclined to believe it's older than the 1960s dates you gave me. It
just looks a lot different from the one I have that I know is from the
50s-60s...
It is helpful on Playmates though. At least I have a general idea.
I had already checked both of those websites you mentioned and found
no resemblance to the markings on my figurines which is why I posted
the question.
I was kind of hoping I wouldn't have to cart them anywhere to find out
but oh well....
Thanks.
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Request for Question Clarification by
tutuzdad-ga
on
19 May 2005 10:03 PDT
I don't know what else I can do for you short of what I have already
provided you. According to what I have found about the bee marks the
"Western Germany" phrase only appears on 1960-1972 figurines. This is
simply a fact.
http://tri-stateantiques.com/hummels/trademarks.html
tutuzdad-ga
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Clarification of Question by
stoweaway56-ga
on
19 May 2005 10:54 PDT
Thanks - I just couldn't find anything anywhere that used the term
Western Germany - found a lot of W. Germany and West Germany but not
Western Germany so thanks for finding that out.
I think we're good here. Thanks for the help.
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Request for Question Clarification by
tutuzdad-ga
on
19 May 2005 11:07 PDT
Shall I close the question and claim the fee then?
tutuzdad-ga
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Clarification of Question by
stoweaway56-ga
on
19 May 2005 13:41 PDT
Sure - thanks.
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