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Q: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand" ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   7 Comments )
Subject: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
Category: Business and Money
Asked by: jfra-ga
List Price: $200.00
Posted: 19 May 2005 08:56 PDT
Expires: 18 Jun 2005 08:56 PDT
Question ID: 523315
I am a Purchasing Manager in the Oil and Gas industry.  I am trying to
buy what is called "frac sand".  I need a list of sources including
contact information.  The sources might include sand mines and/or
distributors in the U.S. and Canada.

We are only interested in sources of a specific kind of sand called
"St. Peters Sandstone".  I believe it is also referred to as "Ottawa

The specific type we need is referred to as "20/40" or "30/70" or
"40/70".  This refers to the size of sieve through which the sand can

Some background info:  This type of sand is being used as a
"proppant".  It is forced into gas wells with water at extremely high
pressure to literally fracture the earth open to allow for more gas
and oil to escape to the well head.  The sand remains to "prop" open
the crack.  The sand is generally white in color and is spherical in

Some key words/phrases are: "20/40", "30/70", "40/70", "frac sand",
"Ottawa sand", "St. Peter(s) sand(stone)", "crush rate", "proppant", "sand broker"

Request for Question Clarification by cath-ga on 19 May 2005 12:38 PDT
Hi jfra,

how many sources are you hoping for? cath-ga

Clarification of Question by jfra-ga on 19 May 2005 13:40 PDT
I'm hoping for twenty...  But, it might not be possible.

Request for Question Clarification by cath-ga on 20 May 2005 09:53 PDT
Hi jfra,

I have a list of sand producers and am about to start contacting them.
It might help me to know how much you need to buy, and where, generally,
you are physically located. Thanks for the very clear description of
what you are looking for. That will help. cath-ga

Clarification of Question by jfra-ga on 20 May 2005 13:11 PDT
We are in North Texas.  The quantity we need (more like a dream) is
around 2,250 tons per week (yes, tons).  In short, we'll take as much
as we can get...  Shipping from anywhere in the U.S. or Canada is ok.

Request for Question Clarification by cath-ga on 20 May 2005 14:25 PDT

I can tell this is going to be an elaborate correspondence! I have found
a couple of producers so far that meet your size requirements, but their
sand is tan, not white. One of them sells a lot of his sand for use as frac
sand, and ships from Texas...The latter contact says that Ottawa Sand and
St. Peter's aren't the same thing...but in any case would only be available
back East. So, must the sand be CALLED by one of those two names, and must
it be white? Or is meeting the size and shape requirement sufficient?
thanks, cath-ga

Request for Question Clarification by cath-ga on 21 May 2005 08:07 PDT
never mind the last question- further research has answered it. cath-ga

Request for Question Clarification by cath-ga on 23 May 2005 10:55 PDT
Hi jfra,

I am making some progress, but everyone wants to know the name of the
company you are purchasing for. They are squeamish about talking with
"3rd" parties like me when they aren't sure where the info is going.
Can you tell
me the name of your company? And is it an "oil service" company? 
Thanks, cath-ga

Clarification of Question by jfra-ga on 23 May 2005 12:11 PDT
Go ahead and forward me whatever information you have and I will
proceed to contact them directly.  I'm not surprised they won't give
you more info.

Subject: Re: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
Answered By: cath-ga on 23 May 2005 13:59 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
Dear jfra,

Since you have asked for what I have, and sound like you're
in a hurry, I am sending the current state of my research. I have 
not received callbacks from many of the sources, but you will 
probably get them much faster than I, since you can give your company 
name. You can also provide better incentives that I can for a positive

However, I don't feel I've fully satisfied my responsibility here. I will 
be happy to do further calling and searching at your direction, (at no 
extra charge) if you just hit the "Clarify Answer" button. It may be that 
you will want me to search for Brady sand or some other kind, and that will 
be fine. This is a really tough time to get Ottawa sand, supplies are
apparently almost all committed.

I contacted all the top 10 producers of industrial sand in the U.S.,
and ruled out a few that told me they don't have frac sand or Ottawa
sand. The first three below are the "Big Three"  in frac sand, as you 
probably know:

Badger Mining Corp
Berlin Wisconsin. Brian Olmen, 920-361-2388, ext. 133

He says the market is extremely tight, but he'll be happy to talk
with you. He only provides directly to service companies, and
can give you the info you need.

Unimin, Steve Frateroli,  Corporate Sales, 1-800-223-2236
I left message Monday, no call back

Also left message for Allison Lamb 800-223-2236

Oglebay Norton, Cleveland, OH, Corporate office
216-861-3300, left message at vendor number, no response.

A Sales Manager for Oglebay, Norton in California sells a lot of frac 
sand, but it is not Ottawa sand. It is tan, and does meet your size
requirements. For this sand you can contact: Jim Martin, in
at 916-708-6214. He also said he could be your contact for the company as a whole.

U.S. Silica, Corporate, Bob Morrow,  800-243-7500 He called me back and 
said they're "sold out"  of Ottawa sand, and 99% committed for some time 
to come. Maybe you can negotiate with him...He did say that Brady sand, 
brown sand, has been used in California for frac sand with some success. 

Santrol, division of Fairmount Mineral
800-338-4686, I left message Monday, no call back yet

Sil Industrial Minerals
Edmonton, Alberta

The above company came up on a search for "frac sand" on
Oil and Gas Online, at:

I e-mailed them, but have received no response. If you haven't already
used Oil and Gas Online, you might want to try it.

According to the IOGA News., in an article called "Frac Sand Supply 
Update." p. 15, the demand for Ottawa sand will far exceed the supply
this spring. The article suggests a comparison of Ottawa sand to Brady
sand and
others, so that users can decide which of the "second or third tier"  
sands to use instead of  the desirable white sand. 

"To compare various replacement sand options you need to find out
what the permeability and conductivity is at the downhole conditions
in your wells. Your service company can provide you with permeability 
and conductivity data at 2,000 psi, 4,000 psi, and perhaps even 6,000 
psi closure stress.

If you want the best quality possible in your frac sand, I suggest
you to dig deeper into the API test data of your service provider?s frac
sand. Just because it sieves out on your location at 20/40 mesh
according to an API test (must be 90% between the 20 and 40 mesh
screens) does not mean it meets any other API specification. The
frac sand shortage is now so widespread that many previously
never used, inferior sands are being offered up to replace API Ottawa
and Brady sands (Brady sand is on allocation, too). Some of these
replacement sands may be severely lacking in important tests like
percentage of fines in API crush tests, and the basic physical
properties, roundness and sphericity. If you have no other options
but to pump them or not frac at all, a good strategy may be to
pump the best one available if you can?t wait."


If you are willing to go with something other than Ottawa sand, RMC-Cemex 
has sand which meets your size requirements, but is not white. They have 
20/40 and 30/70. They also can mix sand to meet the 40/70 size. The sand 
comes from the beach at Monterey, CA, and is washed and dried by RMC Cemex.

You can contact Byron Slavin, at 925-285-1180. 

Juniata Sand

Vassar , MI ,    989-823-1166  Brad Feathers is the manager there. 
Juniata is a new operation of the Sargent Companies (Sargent Sand was one
of the Top Ten Industrial Sand Producers, but closed down.)

Feathers isn't familiar with Ottawa sand. He has a natural grayish
sand that is round and does come in the 20/40 size.  It has silica
in it. He's very eager to work with you since they're just gearing


Oil and Gas online:

I sent e-mails to several suppliers on this site, no response.

This is a Canadian on-line procurement service. They don't have
anyone who supplies frac sand in their group, but they are putting
some feelers out. They also supply procurement software programs
for purchasing agents like you.

Lobos Services also came up on my search for "frac sand' on
Oil and Gas online. Apparently Lobos publishes a directory 
of suppliers for the petrochemical industry, and has a specific
directory for Texas that you might be interested in. 

Lobos Services
16016 Perkins Road
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70810
Phone: 225-751-5626 
Fax: 225-751-6344

This is it so far. Please give me further direction if you want to!


search strategy:

oil and gas industry supplier
directory of sand suppliers + oil and gas
ottawa sand + fracturing sand
ottawa sand + sand producer

Clarification of Answer by cath-ga on 24 May 2005 15:39 PDT

thanks for the kind rating! The Google Answers editors removed my
clarification comment about Unimin's Western District Manager because
it apparently contained some contact info for me. Not sure about that,
wanted to re-post Mike Kulesa's phone number for you, in case you
didn't already print it out: 916-435-5303. He's the one who said
he's already committed, but it's OK to give him a call. cath-ga

Clarification of Answer by cath-ga on 02 Jun 2005 18:49 PDT
Hi again jfra,

I just noticed that there's a frac sand distributor in
Central TX looking for customers, here on Google Answers.
The number of the question is 528741. If you keep an eye
on it, once it is answered you can list your company
as a possible customer in the comments below. cath-ga
jfra-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
You did a great job.  I appreciate your offering to post any
additional information you might receive.

When I got the authorization to use this service, I wasn't aware that
it was appropriate to tip.  Otherwise, I would have been able to do
that.  I will budget it in my future requests.

Thank you for helping.

Subject: Re: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
From: riffraff-ga on 12 Jun 2005 17:57 PDT
Unimin has a location in Ottawa, MN.  Hence, Ottawa Sand.  I am
applying for the job of Purchaser/Supervisor at this location.  That
is how I came across your question.  You can call the Plant Manager at
(507)665-3386.  Hopefully this will help you out, and if does, let
them know Brian R. referred you.

There address is Unimin Corp at 39770 Ottawa Rd, LeSueur, MN  56058.

This is the "White" Sand you are looking for.  I am not sure how much
there sand is already contracted for.
Subject: Re: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
From: texlandman-ga on 20 Jun 2005 15:31 PDT

If you're still interested in a sand source, I have a source
(approximately 300M tons)that I would be willing to discuss with you.
Let me know if you are still in the market.
Subject: Re: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
From: performanceminerals-ga on 11 Jul 2005 11:36 PDT
I am a rep for a white sand producer. Advise if you require a quote
for 20x40, 20x30, 30x50, 30x70, 40x70, and 30x70 brown. We can ship UP
or BNSF.
Subject: Re: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
From: jfra-ga on 29 Jul 2005 10:51 PDT
I am interested in receiving a quote.  Thanks.
Subject: Re: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
From: myoarin-ga on 31 Aug 2005 07:44 PDT
Check out this question:
Subject: Re: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
From: performanceminerals-ga on 03 Oct 2005 08:30 PDT
I just need an email and/or telephone number to reach you.
Subject: Re: Purchasing Agent needs sources of "frac sand"
From: jfra-ga on 03 Oct 2005 09:19 PDT

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