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Titian Paintings ?
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: bobbie41-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
21 May 2005 13:22 PDT
Expires: 20 Jun 2005 13:22 PDT Question ID: 524129 |
In our family we have been searching through old boxes and different paintings. Now the story goes, when my grandfather came to America in 1900, his family (from Milan Italy) gave him 2 small paintings to sell in case he needed money. He didn't need to sell them but kept them all this time. A few years ago, my mother had them framed and she told me they were painted by Tiziano ( oh yeah I thought) but now that I have retired, I'm looking at these paintings very carefully. They are about 9" tall and 6" wide. They are painted on copper, the subjects are the Madonna with a Halo and the other is a maiden, breasts exposed, dark, tree scenery in the background. Little chips of paint are all over and the copper can be seen. I think my grandfather may have scraped away the paint on the lower right of one and wrote or carved Tiziano. I have looked at several paintings of Titian and there are similarities, where should I go to find out, I did take some pictures. The paintings are now in a safe just in case. Thanks for your help. |
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Re: Titian Paintings ?
From: amber00-ga on 21 May 2005 15:20 PDT |
I suspect that you have copper engraving plates of Titian's paintings. The sizes would be quite common. They are unlikely to be by Titian himself. They might be 19th century - a lot of engravings and printers' blocks date from this time. Did you have any printers or engravers in the family? Here's a link to an encyclopedia entry on titian which notes, 'It is said that titian himself engraved on copper and on wood but this may be be questioned'. "TITIAN." LoveToKnow 1911 Online Encyclopedia. © 2003, 2004 LoveToKnow. http://100.1911encyclopedia.org/T/TI/TITIAN.htm |
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Re: Titian Paintings ?
From: myoarin-ga on 21 May 2005 19:37 PDT |
Could they be later paintings on such engravings? Any evidence of engraving where the paint has chipped? Is there a source with all titian's works for comparison? It seems unlikely that a family owning original Titians would not have had other financial means for a son who was emigrating. |
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Re: Titian Paintings ?
From: bobbie41-ga on 21 May 2005 21:04 PDT |
I really don't understand the engraving part of your comments but I agree why would the family give my grandfather these valuable ? paintings when they didn't have a lot themselves unless he got them in another way. And is there a way that I can post the paintings or would that not be the right thing to do? |
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Re: Titian Paintings ?
From: myoarin-ga on 22 May 2005 04:03 PDT |
Engraving is a method to print pictures (etc.). The design is cut into the surface of a polished metal plate (often copper). INk is applied and then wiped from the surface, just leaving that caught in the engraved grooves, which is then transferred to the paper in the printing press. The plates get worn with use and eventually can no longer be used for printing, but they are then still a work of art in themselves - expecially if the artist was good. Many well-known paintings were copied by engravers to produce prints of the original paintings, hence the likelihood that these plates could be such copies of better-known paintings, perhaps Titian's. An artist might have then used the engraving as the basis for his painting the scene. Yes, it would be interesting if you could post the paintings, nothing wrong with that, but I cannot tell you how to. |
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Re: Titian Paintings ?
From: bobbie41-ga on 22 May 2005 09:17 PDT |
To myoarin Thanks that makes sense to me about engraving plates, now I need to maybe see if I can find 2 paintings that look like these. |
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Re: Titian Paintings ?
From: myoarin-ga on 22 May 2005 13:28 PDT |
My pleasure. :) If you search with Tizian OR tiziano oeuvre OR works you can see a lot of his paintings, educational if not helpful. It could be - if the plates are engravings - that the engraver was clever enough to have made the plates as mirror images so that the prints would correct. But we are still speculating on two points: that the copper plates are engravings; and that they are copies of Titian's works, so don't get to hopeful yet. I hope that with a magnifying glass you may be able to settle the first point. Hey, somebody, tell Bobbie how to post photos or scans of the pictures. Please. Cheers |
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Re: Titian Paintings ?
From: cynthia-ga on 19 Jun 2005 16:10 PDT |
Bobbie, please post photos here: http://www.photobucket.com/ |
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