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Subject: Slang terminology.
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: kjr291-ga
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Posted: 23 May 2005 08:00 PDT
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Question ID: 524619
What year did the word "hot" first take on the meaning of a man or
woman being sexy? e.g. "She's really hot!" I could not find this in a
slang dictionary from 1987.
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Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 25 May 2005 16:06 PDT
 
Hello kjr291,

The online version of the Oxford English Dictionary (available through
some library databases), in its Draft Additions of March 2005 for the
entry "hot", says:

"slang (orig. U.S.). Of a person (originally a woman): sexually attractive."

The OED's first citation is:

"1926 New Republic 17 Feb. 350/2 If you've forgotten your mythology,
Aphrodite -- more widely known as Venus -- was the hot momma of
goddesses."

This entry includes "Cf. RED-HOT a. 2a."  The "red-hot" entry says, in
relevant part:

"Of persons: ... outstanding, uninhibited, lively, sexy, passionate;
esp. in phr. red-hot momma ...."

Its first citation for "red-hot mama" is from 1926, the same year as
the New Republic citation.

In short, it appears that "hot" first took on the meaning of "sexy" in
or about 1926.

- justaskscott
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Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: badger75-ga on 23 May 2005 10:00 PDT
 
How old is the term "hot" as in sexy?

William Shakespeare loved to play with words. In A Midsummer Night's
Dream Theseus speaks these oxymoronic words (Act V, Scene I):
"A tedious brief scene of young Pyramus
And his love Thisby; very tragical mirth.'
Merry and tragical! tedious and brief!
That is hot ice and wondrous strange snow."
Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: myoarin-ga on 24 May 2005 06:32 PDT
 
Here is what the Etymology Online Dictionary says:

"Hot-blooded "passionate" (1598) is a relic of medieval physiology
theory. The association of hot with sexuality dates back to 1500."

"In heat":  "Meaning "sexual excitement in animals" is from 1768."  

"Hot" in the sense you mean may not be in a slang dictionary because
it is not considered to be slang. In my Webster's dictionary, the
seventh definition of "hot", "lustful, lascivious", is not noted as
being slang, also not in my 1953 Webster's Collegiate Dictionary,
where the second definition is:  "characterized by violent activity,
emotion or passion; as: a ardent; fiery. b violent; raging. c excited;
urgent. d. lustful. e kindled with eager desire; as, hot for reform."

Most people reading "kindled with eager desire" probably don't think
about reform, and probably didn't 50 years ago, but Webster's left
more to one's imagination in those days.

Hmmm?  I wonder what Shakespeare meant by "wondrous strange snow"?
Myoarin
Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: badger75-ga on 24 May 2005 09:34 PDT
 
"Hmmm?  I wonder what Shakespeare meant by "wondrous strange snow"?"

Oh, that bawdy Bard!
Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: myoarin-ga on 24 May 2005 13:18 PDT
 
I won't bother to check my previous source, this is obviously the
first usage of "snow"  for cocaine  ...  Or don't you think so,
Badger?
Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: badger75-ga on 24 May 2005 13:59 PDT
 
"I won't bother to check my previous source, this is obviously the
first usage of "snow"  for cocaine  ...  Or don't you think so,
Badger?"

Hmmm, don't know. A Midsummer Night's Dream is a comedy about romance
and sex. But there are so many hallucinatory aspects to it, one can't
be sure. Shakespeare was the master of the double entendre.
Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: myoarin-ga on 24 May 2005 16:37 PDT
 
Quite, indeed; he could whip off "wondrous strange snow" before anyone
knew what he was talking about, except Thisby, maybe.
Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: myoarin-ga on 25 May 2005 17:50 PDT
 
Justaskscott,
It's hard to argue with OED.

I wonder where etymonline got its information?

Myoarin
Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: justaskscott-ga on 25 May 2005 18:17 PDT
 
Myoarin,

The Etymology Online Dictionary refers to "sexuality," not to
sexiness.  Someone can be sexual / have sexuality without being sexy,
no?

:-)

- justaskscott
Subject: Re: Slang terminology.
From: myoarin-ga on 26 May 2005 03:00 PDT
 
Justaskscott,
Thanks, maybe  - if you and the big book say so.
When I associate hot with sexuality, I infer sexy, but that just may be my 
male mind's slipping into lower gear on sighting the first syllable
and no longer being able to deal with the finer meaning of a
five-syllable word.  :-9

Anyway, thanks again.
Myoarin

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