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Subject: PDF of a sum of Exponentielle distribution densities
Category: Science > Math
Asked by: torrent-ga
List Price: $30.00
Posted: 26 May 2005 15:06 PDT
Expires: 31 May 2005 19:01 PDT
Question ID: 526063
Hi,
i need a general analytic and detailed PDF (probability density
function) of the randon variable Y, with:

Y = sum_{i=1}^{N}{X_i} + 1/sum_{k=1}^{M}{1/Z_k}

with X_i, Z_k iid random var. with exponentiel density. N, M positive integer.
Thanks.

Clarification of Question by torrent-ga on 28 May 2005 09:32 PDT
Hi,
i make a mistake in my question. Indeed, instead of the above
formulation, i need the PDF of Y, with:

Y = sum_{i=1}^{N}{1/sum_{k=1}^{M_i}{1/Z_{i,k}}

with Z_{i,k} independent exponentielle random variables for each 'i'
not equal to 'k'.
Tanks.

Clarification of Question by torrent-ga on 28 May 2005 09:35 PDT
Another correction:
------------------
Z_{i,k} independent exponentielle densities for all 'i' and 'k'.

thanks.

Request for Question Clarification by hedgie-ga on 31 May 2005 05:35 PDT
torrent-ga
          
            Let's see if I understand the question. 
It is not easy to express formulas in ASCII.

 1)   Z_{i,k} : For i!=k  these are independent random variables with 
      pdf of the type
       http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda3667.htm

      a) yes?
      b) beta and mi are given for each i and k?
      c) what if  i==k ?

2)  Y is sum  of [ 1/S (k) ]

  sum is over i =1,N exept i==k

where S(i) = sum over k { 1/ Z(i,k) }

         sum is over k=1, 2,   m(i)

          b) m(i) is given 

3) How big is N
   a) How accurate it needs to be?
   b) analytic and detailed
          means what? By detailed you mean 'exact '?
      If analytic expression does not exist - then what?

 Hedgie

Clarification of Question by torrent-ga on 31 May 2005 06:39 PDT
Hi,

Thank you for your help.

1) Z_{i,k} is an exponentielle density for all i = 1 to N, and all k = 1 to m(i).
i take exponentielle density equal to: 1/beta(i,k)*exp(-x/beta(i,k))
(which means that the mu == 0).
beta is given for each i and k.
i and k are independent parameters, so if i==k means nothing, only
that Z_{1,1} is an exponentielle density independent of other Z_{i,k}.

2)NO. Y is sum of 1/S(i) over i = 1 to N.
with S(i) = sum over k { 1/ Z(i,k) }; k = 1 to m(i)
N and m(i) are given.

3) How Big is N..Hmmm..not a big value but not a small one.
N and m(i) limited for example by 10 and 20 respectively..
However, i need an analytic expression of it, as small as possible.
If it didn't exist, it means there is no answer :).

I can simplify the problem for you.
One major point of the problem is to find the Inverse Laplace
Transform of a product of a modified second kind bessel functions,
like this:
F(p) = p^{M/2}*K_1(alpha1*sqrt(p))*K_1(alpha2*sqrt(p))*K_1(alpha3*sqrt(p))*...*K_1(alphaM*sqrt(p))

The Bessel function sqrt(x)*K_1(alpha1*sqrt(x)) is the Moment
Generator Function (MGF) of 1/X with X expoenentiel density.

I need a simplified analytic formulation, even if there is two or three integrals.
Thanks you and good luck.

Clarification of Question by torrent-ga on 31 May 2005 18:58 PDT
Hi,
i read your link. Indeed, it's an Exponential Distribution. I write it
in French :), sorry.
For distribution the central limit is true for high values of N, and
not for every value of it. For N =1, 2, 3 and even until 20, it's not
a Gaussian distribution.

I didn't offer 30$ to take the central limit theorem :).

i Hope a more analytic solution, as i present to you in my last
clarification (Inverse Laplace Transform of a Bessel product).

In case if it's difficult for you, can you please let the question
open for your collegues, like Mr MathTalk-ga.

Thanks.
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Comments  
Subject: Re: PDF of a sum of Exponentielle distribution densities
From: hedgie-ga on 31 May 2005 17:19 PDT
 
Torrent

   It puzzles me why you keep calling it 

Exponentielle distribution densities,

 even after I gave you this reference:

 1)   Z{i,k} : For i and k these are independent random variables with 
      pdf of the type
       http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda3667.htm
I wonder if you read it.

Anyway, for practical purposes, Y has Gaussian distribution
according to 
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CentralLimitTheorem.html

Mathematically 'solution of a problem' differs from
common meaning of 'an answer to a question'. If you consider
above given solution to be 'an answer', you may invite me to post it into
answer area (which trigers the payment, and gives you chance to RFCs).

Hedgie

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