I am lookming for a downloadable PDF version of the MTA neigborhood
map of Carrol Gardens, Brooklyn (the one showing the Smith Street
subway station on the F line). I found where you can download all the
MTA neighborhood maps for Manhattan at...

http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/maps/localmaps/

but I can't find the Brooklyn ones anywhere.

thanks,
josh

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Request for Question Clarification by ldcdc-ga on 10 Aug 2002 11:16 PDT

Hi.

What exactly are you searching for?

If you want to find that place why don't you try to use another map?

I can recommend you Yahoo Maps:
http://maps.yahoo.com

If you want to go to Carroll Gardens and you don't know the way you
can find that too: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/ddResults.py
 
Here is the page I got for Carroll gardens - Brooklyn, NY:

( http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=Carroll+gardens&city=Brooklin&state=NY&csz=Brooklin,+NY&slt=40.675650&sln=-73.982550&name=&zip=&country=us&&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=10&desc=&cs=9&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=&ds=n
)

I tried to locate the place on that map that you talked about, but
after two hours I gave up. I got lost in that map. :o)

Does this info qualify as an answer or what you want are instructions
on how to find the place on that particular map?

Thank you for using our service

ldcdc-ga

Hello bigjosh,

I believe I found the information you are seeking. All the links below
are from the MTA New York City Transit Home page, which is:

http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/index.html 

From the home page, I clicked on Maps which took me to the System Maps
page:

http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/maps/index.html 

From here, I selected the Brooklyn link under the Bus section. This
link displays the entire Brooklyn bus system map in PDF format (which
you can also save). This map includes the Smith Street/Carroll Street
area. The pdf link is:

http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/busbkln.pdf 

From the System Maps page, if you click on the Full System link under
the Subway section (or just click the subway map link), you will see
the NYC subway map. This page is at the following link:

http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm 

On the subway map page, you can click on the Carroll Street/Smith
Street area and then select either the F line or the G line. Selecting
the F line takes you to the following page:

http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/fline.htm 

From this page, if you scroll down to the Brooklyn section, you will
see information on bus connections from the Carroll Street station
(where Smith is the cross street) - in this case, the B71 and B75
buses.

If you select the Buses link from the home page, then select
Schedules, then select Brooklyn, you will arrive at the Brooklyn Bus
Schedules page. From here, find the B71 bus line (as determined from
the F line link above). The associated bus name is Union
Street/Eastern Parkway. If you click on this link, it will display the
"Bus Timetable Effective January 2002" information in downloadable PDF
format. This timetable covers between the Crown Heights and Cobble
Hill areas. Included in the timetable (besides the times) is a map
which also shows the F line Subway connection (at Carroll and Smith
Streets) and the Carroll Gardens area. The pdf link is:

http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b071cur.pdf 

I hope this information is helpful to you.

Regards,

ames

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Clarification of Answer by ames-ga on 10 Aug 2002 15:42 PDT

Hello again bigjosh,

I also found a street map of the Carroll Gardens area that includes
Carroll and Smith Streets along with the F (and G) line subway
station. Unfortunately the map is not in pdf format, only html.
However, you can enlarge the various areas within Brooklyn to see the
detailed street maps online. This map is at the following link (from
the nyc.gov website which I already had bookmarked):

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/dcptd/bkp15.html 

I also came across two other non-PDF Carroll Gardens street map links.

1. Welcome To Carroll Gardens website with scrollable streets and a
link to the Subway Map. When you click the Subway Map link you can
zoom in further by clicking on the map on the new page. The website is
at:

http://www.smalltownbrooklyn.com/carrollgardens/carrollhome.htm 

2. William S. Ross Real Estate page containing neighborhood maps for
Brooklyn areas (including Carroll and Smith Streets) and shows the
subway stations:

http://www.wsross.com/cgardens.html 

I hope between this information containing detailed street info and
the pdf subway and bus information in my answer, you will have
everything you were hoping to find to get where you wish to go.

Regards,

ames

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Request for Answer Clarification by bigjosh-ga on 11 Aug 2002 05:40 PDT

I am sepcifically looking for the MTA neighbood map. These are
excelent maps produced by Michael Hertz Associates for the New York
MTA. There are about 40 of them, each one covers a New York
neighborhood and shows public transportation along with all sorts of
other stuff. If you follow the link I provided, you'll be able to look
at all the neigborhood maps for Manhattan to see what they are like. I
am looking for the MTA neigborhood map for Carrol Gardens.

thanks,
josh

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Clarification of Answer by ames-ga on 13 Aug 2002 07:17 PDT

Hello bigjosh,

I had originally checked out your MTA link to the Manhattan
Neighborhood Map. However, I had also noticed that although the map
links functioned, the other links on that page were broken. In fact,
upon trying to click on the Phone link, I rececived a message
indicating that this site was no longer in use and was re-directed to
the new site (with the links I posted in my answer). I had also
noticed that there were no identical maps available on the new MTA
site.

This morning, I called the map number on their new website and was
given the name and number of the person who was responsible for the
original neighborhood map posting. His name is Chuck Gordinier and his
Manhattan number is (212) 878-7415. He mentioned two things. The first
was that they never had completed the development of the Brooklyn
neighborhood maps (for online purposes) and the second was that they
were no longer producing or posting any neighborhood maps (that showed
all the streets and bus line information as through your link). He
didn't want to go into the details but did say it was now policy and
due to security issues that they were no longer posting the
neighborhood maps.

Mr. Gordinier did mention that New York City had done an elaborate
city mapping program and that it was available on the NYC website (but
no bus or subway details). This is the first link I pointed to in my
original clarification. He also mentioned that you can get street maps
(at a high-level, not detail level) with bus & subway information for
Brooklyn from the new MTA MYC site. Unfortunately, he is not aware of
any websites where you can get detailed street maps which show the bus
& subway information and are available in pdf format (such as the old
Manhattan Neighborhood Maps site).

The first number I called was an MTA NYC customer service number on
the following site:

http://www.mta.info/mta/phone.htm 

Near the bottom of the New York City Transit section, there is a
section called "Map orders (25 or more)". Their number is (718)
694-4903. The gentleman I spoke with didn't know the details of the
original Neighborhood Maps but he provided me with Mr. Gordinier's
contact name and number and he also mentioned that all the bus maps
they had were on their website.

I know it's not what you were hoping to hear but I hope it provides
some clarification.

Regards,

ames