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Subject: Roughing It
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: coreywhite-ga
List Price: $100.00
Posted: 06 Jun 2005 17:24 PDT
Expires: 06 Jul 2005 17:24 PDT
Question ID: 530127
How can I retire on $100,000?  I am considering roughing it one way or
another.  Is it possible to survive on $100,000 for any length of
time?  What options are there, from surviving in the wilderness to
living off of welfare checks and homeless shelters?

Request for Question Clarification by nenna-ga on 08 Jun 2005 12:12 PDT
Hi Coreywhite-ga,

You mention things like you get disability, what for? Depending on
that, there may be options that are not available to you. You mention
roughing it, does this mean you'd prefer to not have a permanant
residence and move around staying places? Tell me all that you can
about this situation and what you're looking for.

Nenna-GA
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There is no answer at this time.

The following answer was rejected by the asker (they reposted the question).
Subject: Re: Roughing It
Answered By: wonko-ga on 06 Jun 2005 18:48 PDT
Rated:1 out of 5 stars
 
First, let's look at how much income you can expect the $100,000 to
generate.  Using the T. Rowe Price Retirement Income Calculator,
available at http://www3.troweprice.com/ric/RIC/?scn=Online_Features&rfpgid=8304,
we can gain an idea of how much income you can expect to receive. 
Assuming you are 65, need the money to last 25 years, and are willing
to live with a 20% chance of running out of money before 25 years are
up, "[y]ou can receive $430 of monthly income (increased 3% per year
for inflation)..." from an investment mix of 80% stocks and 20% bonds.

You may also be eligible for Social Security benefits.  "For every
$780 of wages you earn in any given year, you get one credit, up to
four per year. Once you have 40 credits, you are eligible to receive
full benefits when you reach age 65. You can start to receive partial
benefits at age 62 and persons who delay retirement beyond age 65
receive higher benefits." "Social Security Primer" About, Inc. (2005)
http://usgovinfo.about.com/blssaprimer.htm.

You can calculate your Social Security benefits using "Choose A
Benefit Calculator" Social Security Online
http://www.ssa.gov/planners/calculators.htm or by referring to the
benefit statement Social Security sends you every year.  The average
monthly Social Security benefit for men in 2002 was $1007.81 "Average
Monthly Social Security Benefits, 1940-2002" infoplease (2005)
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0780010.html.

At age 65, you become eligible for Medicare.  Consult the "Medicare
Eligibility Tool" Medicare (December 9, 2004)
http://www.medicare.gov/MedicareEligibility/home.asp.  This will give
you some medical benefits in the event you need them, although it does
not cover all of your potential medical needs.

As you can see from the above information, your Social Security
benefit is likely to be significantly larger than the sustainable
income you can get from your $100,000.  Obviously, if you are older
than 65 and/or have a medical condition that will shorten your
expected longevity, then you could be more aggressive in taking income
from the $100,000.  You can change the data inputs to the T. Rowe
Price calculator if my assumptions do not reflect your situation.

Given that you have at least $100,000 in assets, you will not be
eligible for welfare/food stamps/etc.  Even if you were, you could
only collect welfare benefits for 5 years anyway: "Eligibility and
Benefits" Welfare Information Network
http://www.financeprojectinfo.org/win/eligibil.asp.

Assuming you are going to have an income of around $1500/month
($18,000/yr) at best, some of which may be taxable, you do have some
options.

You could live in the wilderness as you suggest, living a
hunter-gatherer-type of lifestyle.  This assumes you remained healthy.
 If you did not, you would probably have to use all of your remaining
assets on medical care and then try to qualify for Medicaid.

A much better bet is to consider moving to a foreign country with a
much lower cost of living.  $18,000 per year can go a long way in
Third World nations.  The following article describes how this is an
increasingly popular option:  "Money: Running Away to Retire" by Linda
Stern, Newsweek (March 14, 2005)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7102314/site/newsweek/.  Mexico, Costa
Rica, Panamá, and Belize are all popular destinations.  There are many
other countries you could consider as well.  Note that Medicare does
not cover care in foreign countries, so you would need to buy health
insurance.

A website that appears to have a great deal of information about
retiring to foreign countries is: "Overseas Retirement Havens"
Escapeartist, Inc. (2005)
http://www.escapeartist.com/retirement/havens.htm

You could also try living on the road.  The following website offers a
book purporting to allow the reader to "Retire and Travel For $1000 a
Month" http://retirementtips.homestead.com/Retire1000P1.html.

I hope these ideas aid you in figuring out if you can retire with your
$100,000 and how best to do it.  I hope you enjoy your retirement.

Sincerely,

Wonko

Request for Answer Clarification by coreywhite-ga on 06 Jun 2005 19:27 PDT
I am not 65, I am 21, and am not interested in investing.  I am
interested in 'roughing it' on the money which I have.  I already
recieve social security disability insurance, and don't plan on moving
to a foreign country where I will lose benefits.. You answer did not
help me at all, and I need clarification.  This question is about
'roughing it' and retiring early, not about investing and social
security.

Clarification of Answer by wonko-ga on 06 Jun 2005 21:24 PDT
Thank you for clarifying your situation.  I suggest that in the future
you provide all pertinent information in your question to receive the
most applicable answer.

If you are not going to invest the $100,000, then it is really not
likely to last long at all.  A significant portion of even the modest
monthly amount I referred to in my answer comes from investment gains
over time, especially the ability to increase the withdrawal amount
each year to compensate for inflation.

Since you are receiving Social Security Disability, you are eligible
for Medicare, so that helps your situation somewhat.  As a 21 year
old, if your disability does not impact your life expectancy, you are
looking at needing to fund living to age 90+.  With the effect of
inflation, $100,000 that is not invested in anything is unlikely to be
all that material compared to your Social Security Disability benefit.

Assuming you lived to age 90, and you wanted to gradually draw down
your $100,000 so that there was nothing left then, you could spend
$120.77 per month.  You are looking at a 69 year period.  If inflation
matches what it did during the 69 year period from 1936 to 2005,
something that now costs $7424.88 will cost $100000 in 2074 when you
are 90.  "The Inflation Calculator" by Steven Morgan Friedman (2000)
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/.  The $120.77 per month will have
very little purchasing power even 20 years into the future, let alone
69.  If you do not invest the $100,000, it will have minimal impact on
your standard of living.

The average Social Security Disability benefit in 2002 was $935.60.  "Average
Monthly Social Security Benefits, 1940-2002" infoplease (2005)
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0780010.html.  Social Security benefits
are indexed for inflation, so they will not experience the drastic
decline in purchasing power that your $100,000 will if you do not
invest it.

So, you need to identify a lifestyle that you can live on your Social
Security Disability benefits if you do not want to invest the
$100,000.  You also need to consider what would be compatible with
your disability.  If you live a strenuous lifestyle, you will probably
eventually be discovered and lose your disability benefits.  Your
disability may prevent you from undertaking a strenuous lifestyle.

The approach taken by Ted Kaczynski is certainly one that is low cost:

"Kaczynski moved in a cabin that he built himself near Lincoln,
Montana in 1971. His first decade there he concentrated on acquiring
the primitive skills that would allow him to live autonomously in the
wild."

"Kaczynski says he began an intensive study of how to identify wild
edible plants, track animals and replicate primitive technologies,
approaching the task like the scholar he was."

"Kaczynski spoke at length about the life he led in his small cabin
with no electricity and no running water."

"Interview with Ted Kaczynski" http://www.primitivism.com/kaczynski.htm

On the other hand, you may not need to go to this extreme.  You
presumably have something on the order of $12,000/yr. coming in.  That
actually places you over the federal poverty level, which is $ 9,570
for 2005 "Poverty in the United States" Answers.com
http://www.answers.com/topic/poverty-in-the-united-states.  The
definition of being above the poverty level is that you are able to
afford "food, shelter and clothing needed to preserve health."

Instead of living in the wilderness, you could opt to live in an area
with a low cost of living.  Portsmouth, OH is 15% less than the
national average. "Best and Worst Places For Your Paycheck" by Sarah
Lyman (2004) http://www.salary.com/advice/layouthtmls/advl_display_nocat_Ser294_Par428.html.
The following material includes a map showing counties with high
poverty areas.  These areas have low median incomes, which would
suggest that the cost of living there is relatively low.  "Anatomy of
Nonmetro High-Poverty Areas:
Common in Plight, Distinctive in Nature" by Calvin L. Beale, Amber
Waves (February 2004)
http://www.ers.usda.gov/AmberWaves/February04/Features/Anatomy.htm.

In summary, while $100,000 is a significant sum of money, it is not
going to materially influence your standard of living if you live to a
normal life expectancy.  It is very unlikely to be of much benefit to
you if you do not invest it.  Whether you invest it or not, the vast
majority of your income is likely to be from your Social Security
Disability benefits.  Therefore, you should seek to identify a
lifestyle that you can fund from those benefits.  While that could be
living in a remote area living off the land, your benefit should allow
to afford basic housing, food, and clothing in a low cost area of the
United States.  You may be able to get food assistance from a food
bank even if you do not qualify for food stamps.  You should also
consider accessibility of any medical care you need for your
disability, as well as your physical ability to perform the tasks
associated with the lifestyle you select.

Sincerely,

Wonko
Reason this answer was rejected by coreywhite-ga:
If I can get an answer with relavent information, I will accept
reposting my question... I need something at least as good as this
usenet posters answer:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.magick/msg/bfa9b8f7bea98e4a

I understand I need to repost my question before asking for a refund.
coreywhite-ga rated this answer:1 out of 5 stars
The answer wasn't helpfull. I will be requesting a refund.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: coreywhite-ga on 06 Jun 2005 17:34 PDT
 
No I didn't rob a bank.
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: coreywhite-ga on 06 Jun 2005 21:50 PDT
 
I'm sure there is a way to retire on $100,000 at my age even if I have
to rough it.  I'm not sure how myself, but I expected a google
researcher might think of a way.
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: parker_79-ga on 07 Jun 2005 01:35 PDT
 
coreywhite,
i hear that you can make quite a bit of money begging for change off
freeway off-ramps.
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: myoarin-ga on 07 Jun 2005 04:11 PDT
 
You could go to a part of the world where 100 k goes a lot further.

About 40+ years ago, a NY financial manager had to do time. When he
came out, he decided to hit the street, but being a systematic person,
he kept a book on places to sleep, and soon was selling his info to
his street colleagues. Eventually he wrote a book about his
experiences that was a success.

It can be done; there are some pretty old hobos who don't have any
capital, but I think one has to make some major compromises.  Roughing
it can be work, healthy, but still not "retirement".

Or you could make a budget to see what you could spend per month and
for how long.  It could be that you would be happy in a low-key, low
responsibility job that let you live a simple life.

Good luck
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: cvenom-ga on 07 Jun 2005 08:43 PDT
 
May not have answered the requestors question, but answer was filled
with great info! I've been looking for some of this info for awhile
now. Thanks.
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: coreywhite-ga on 07 Jun 2005 09:19 PDT
 
I asked this same question on usenet, and got an answer I would
actually pay for: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.magick/msg/bfa9b8f7bea98e4a
The person on usenet wrote a full report with relavent information. 
This google researcher answered my question with interesting
information, but I don't see it as relavent or helpful.
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: umiat-ga on 07 Jun 2005 14:48 PDT
 
Well, certainly you have found one way to save your $100,000.00. Ask a
question, get a great answer, get a further clarification, involve
several hours of a researcher's time, and then reject it! Your
question was very open-ended while the response you were given was
well thought-out, comprehensive, and delivered in a more detailed
manner than your question was presented. In fact, I think I will take
some of the info provided in your "rejected" answer and use it myself.
Your work has not gone unappreciated by me, wonko-ga!
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: rai130-ga on 08 Jun 2005 01:25 PDT
 
Read 'Drop City' by T C Boyle, I'm sure it'll give you lots of ideas.
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: myoarin-ga on 08 Jun 2005 05:42 PDT
 
Corey,
The answer was adequate and directed at the question as we could read
it  - before your clarification.  The clarification of the answer was
also adequate.  Nothing in the rule
s of Google Answers  - or in the rules of life -  says that a
well-founded answer to one's question must be what one expected or
wanted to hear.

"What options are there, from surviving in the wilderness to
living off of welfare checks and homeless shelters?"

Wonko-ga's answer was directed towards your alternative to the
wilderness:  "to living off of welfare checks and homeless shelters".

Since you had already received very ample information about "roughing
it" from usernet, the answer here very nicely complemented that by
going into researched detail about several aspects of the financial
situation, which is the primary difficulty  - and your basic question.

Myoarin
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: terp_rock-ga on 08 Jun 2005 11:26 PDT
 
I agree.  You received an excellent and detailed answer to a vauge
question.  I guess you will have to learn to "rough-it" on $99,900
now.
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: bjlowry-ga on 10 Jun 2005 07:38 PDT
 
How about you stop being an idiot and invest it? A fool and his money
are soon departed!

BTW, I have this great "Roughing Life" program available for only
100K. Make checks payable to....
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: nancylynn-ga on 10 Jun 2005 12:07 PDT
 
Like the others, I feel that wonko-ga gave you an excellent answer.

I do have one suggestion for you: get a copy of the classic guide
"Your Money Or Your Life," by Joe Dominguez and Vicki Robin.

It will instruct you on how to live on a shoestring budget, but the
program does involve putting your money in safe, conservative
investment vehicles, such as government bonds.

This isn't a get-rich program; it's a getting by on as little money as
possible program, so that you don't have to work, or so that you can
devote your life to a vocation that is emotionally, but not
financially, rewarding.

You can look it over at Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140286780/qid=1118430329/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-9194143-2773501
Where you'll also find some similar books about living on a tight budget.
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: megreger-ga on 29 Jun 2005 14:26 PDT
 
buy 50000 gallons of water 300 trucks of ramna nudles one half acker
of property live in one of the tralers you bought use the rest of the
cash to pay taxes and dish network
Subject: Re: Roughing It
From: cynthia-ga on 29 Jun 2005 14:40 PDT
 
You stated:

..."I am not 65, I am 21, and am not interested in investing.  I am
interested in 'roughing it' on the money which I have.  I already
recieve social security disability insurance, and don't plan on moving
to a foreign country where I will lose benefits..."


~~Since you have set out the parameters... the only ting is to divide
the $100,000.00 by the length of your life.  Let's say you live to be
71.  Here's how much money you have to live on per day:

365 days X 50 years = 18,250 days

$100,000.00 / 18,250 days = $5.48 PER DAY.

Let's hope you don't get sick.

~~Cynthia

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