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Subject: Lease to Own Home
Category: Family and Home > Home
Asked by: adyoung1-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 07 Jun 2005 14:37 PDT
Expires: 07 Jul 2005 14:37 PDT
Question ID: 530509
The company at www.happyhousesellers.com has shown me a home that I
would love to get into, my credit is bad so I will have to lease it
first and improve my credit while Im in it, but they are asking 3k
down and they dont even help fix my credit, they say the payment is to
show them that Im serious and that it is a part of the lease to own
program but I will still have to pay closing costs, how can I go
around the company and get to the seller to buy this home? Ive looked
his name up under the appraisal records but how can I get other
information. Does this sound like a good offer, the home is appraised
at 111,318.00 but they offer it at 114,000.00 what type of business is
this, do I really have to go through the company to get this house?

Request for Question Clarification by cynthia-ga on 08 Jun 2005 00:32 PDT
You would have to provide many more details about the transaction
before anyone can give you an opinion. The down payment is not all
that unusual, however there are scams so you muct be cautious.

Read this:

Lease-to-own real estate deals can be win-win
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/realestate/columnists.nsf/jackguttentag/story/DD237411AEFE697886256F470067AB13?OpenDocument

Then give us as many of the lease details outlined there as you can.

~~Cynthia

Clarification of Question by adyoung1-ga on 09 Jun 2005 07:07 PDT
Ok, 3k down, $50 goes into actuall owning the home, the contract is
for 1 year, the rent is 1095 a month, the purchase price is 110k, the
company is called happy hands mortgage, but if they dont help with
fixing credit, how will they provide services toward owning the home
in terms of how this program is supposed to work, I feel like I can
just go around them and contact the seller without giving them 3k and
fix my own credit and then go to the mortgage company of my choice is
that possible?

Request for Question Clarification by cynthia-ga on 09 Jun 2005 13:07 PDT
Thanks for the clarification... Sure, you can locate the owner of the
home and make an offer, but the homeowner has signed a contract with
Happy Hands, and cannot accept your offer to purchase until their
contract with Happy Hands has expired. What could happen, is that
while you are waiting for the contract to expire, another buyer might
come along and purchase the house.

Think about this... How did you become aware of the house?  I am
betting it is because of an advertisement that Happy Hands did. That's
what the seller is paying Happy Hands to do! To advertise the house
and locate interested buyers...

I can check Happy Hands for you to see if they are a reputable
company. If they are, and if you can afford the payments (defaulting,
even making a single payment late, means you could lose all the money
and the right to buy), then I suggest you go ahead.

I need the city, county, and state --to check on Happy Hands. And
please indicate to me that "Happy Hands" is indeed the full company
name.

~~Cynthia

Clarification of Question by adyoung1-ga on 13 Jun 2005 06:43 PDT
Happy Home Mortgage, this is the information I have, this type of
business makes me want to get into real estate, I bet they are making
a ton of money off of this type of marketing, they put signs out
around the freeway that say "Interested in owning a home, bad credit
ok" and stuff like that, I would love to get into real estate and I
have questions about this too but thats another forum...
Mailing Address:
Helping Hand Mortgage, Inc.
P.O. Box 496897
Garland, Texas 75049

Clarification of Question by adyoung1-ga on 14 Jun 2005 07:24 PDT
Wow!....This site is awesome, all of you have given excellent
feedback, and yes I do have bad credit but I have a good job, making
excellent money, so the money part should balance everything out you
would think, I would hate to be screwed after signing all that
documentation, thank all of you so much for clarifying all the stuff I
have been trying to figure out, now I know what route I should take
with Happy Hands...1) Negotiate a better deal, ask for more than the
50$ they will put towards rent...2) Ask for a longer term
contract...3)Thank you for the heads up on all the other details...Ok
now, how can I make that type of money, I will post another question
but oh my god they are making a killing, Is there a post on how to get
into this type of business?
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Subject: Re: Lease to Own Home
From: myoarin-ga on 09 Jun 2005 08:07 PDT
 
HI,
The site that Cynthia-ga mentioned is very informative, but maybe you
skimmed over the part's that weren't so attractive to you  (we are all
like that).
I don't think that anything the company does is going to help your
credit.  You will have to do that yourself, and the article points out
that a shorter term LTO contract can make this more difficult.  The
terms of the contract may on a cash basis be more favorable than what
the company offers for a longer term contract, but then the pressure
on you to improve your credit standing is greater.

You haven't "got this house" until you have moved from the lease to a
purchase contract, that is, improved your credit standing.  Trying to
deal directly with the owner could be difficult/unsuccessful.  For
one, the contract with the company may preclude the owner's coming to
an agreement with someone who learned about the house through the
company, for another, the owner may be better off by having the
company between himself and a lessor.

Read that article and try to recognize what it says about your situation.

Good luck.
Myoarin
Subject: Re: Lease to Own Home
From: kriswrite-ga on 13 Jun 2005 07:25 PDT
 
Even if you contact the owner personally, if you have bad credit, it's
unlikely that the owner (or a mortgage lender) is going to want to
carry the house for you.

Kriswrite
Subject: Re: Lease to Own Home
From: wordsmth-ga on 13 Jun 2005 13:01 PDT
 
I don't specifically know "Happy Hands," but I am a real estate
investor and do lease-options. (Note: I'm not a lawyer or real estate
agent, for better or worse...)

What Happy Hands is proposing is fairly straightforward. In a typical
lease-option, the renter is charged an up-front fee and slightly above
market rent. The up-front fee typically is (should be) credited toward
the purchase price, or credited toward the down payment. It's not
clear from your question whether this is the case. (You refer to a
purchase price of $114,000, but in your clarification you say it's
$110,000; is that after the $3,000 credit?) They're not giving you
much rent credit, but, then, it really depends in part on what rents
are going for in your area. Pretty much, the amount above fair market
rent should be credited toward the purchase price, although this is
totally negotiable.

Happy Hands should be making its money in three areas: (1) Your
up-front deposit (though if you purchase, it should be credited to
your purchase price), (2) above market rent, and (3) the difference
between what they've agreed to pay the seller and what they'll sell it
to you for.

Let's assume Happy Hands has a purchase contract with the sellers for
80% of the house's fair market value. (It's not likely to be less than
70%, or else they'd flip it...not likely to be much above 90% or there
might not be enough profit in it for them.) That means they probably
have a contract for about $88,000. I don't know what fair market rents
are in your area, but probably around $950, and they've probably
negotiated a price with the seller below that. Maybe $850. (Just a
blind guess.) And if the owner's distressed, they may not have paid
anything, or very little, for the option. So they're expecting to make
$26,000 on the sale of the house, plus maybe $2,300 on the rent
spread. (Remember, $50 a month plus the $3,000 is credited to the
purchase.) So, maybe they expect to make about $28,000 on the deal.

Sounds like a lot, and in a way it is. But they found the house at a
below-market price and they're giving you a chance to buy it for only
slightly above market. (And that's not including appreciation.) It
really isn't a terrible deal for you.

However, there are some problems. First, a year really is a short
period of time. On the one hand, very few investors who do
lease-options help a buyer clean up his/her credit, and a year is a
pretty quick time frame in which to do so. (There are some decent
services out there that'll help, but there are also a lot of
rip-offs.) You really should try for a 2-year, or even a 3-year
option. It'll give you more time to get your bad credit in the past,
and it'll give you another year or two of rent credits. And try for
more than $50 a month.

Understand, too, that they'll make money even if you don't exercise
your option...maybe even more. Let's say you default after 8 months.
You lose your $3,000 option; Happy Hands will find someone else to put
up $3,000 (or more), maybe pay more in monthly rent, mark the purchase
price of the house up more. Not that they want you to default; just
understand that they won't mind if you do.

Addressing your primary question of whether you can go around Happy
Hands directly to the owner. No. Undoubtedly, Happy Hands has a
contract with the owner. And Happy Hands (if they're smart) will have
recorded a memorandum of option with your county recorder's office,
thus clouding the title. Even if the owner wanted to sell to you, the
clouded title would prevent it.

An insider's tip: Happy Hands probably had the owner sign a single
lease-option contract, thus protecting their option interest with a
linked lease. What they'll likely present to you will be two separate
documents--a straight lease and a separate option (or, if they're
really clever, a contract for option). That helps protect them. (Long
story; trust me.) Ideally, you'd like the lease and option in one
document, too. You probably won't get it. What you should do, though,
is as soon as you sign the two documents (the lease and the option),
you too should record the option with the county or city.

So, in summary: Don't go around Happy Hands directly to the owner. If
the numbers you've presented are accurate (especially the fair market
value of the home) and you're getting a rent credit for the much of
the amount above fair market rent, it's not a bad deal...except for
the short length of time. And recognize the downside: If you don't
follow through, you lose the $3,000 and the rent credits.

Hope that helps.

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