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Almost astronomy
Category: Science > Astronomy Asked by: mongolia-ga List Price: $17.17 |
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09 Jun 2005 10:10 PDT
Expires: 09 Jul 2005 10:10 PDT Question ID: 531388 |
Dear People Some years ago I saw a program which was aired on the BBC. The program was part of its long running science series Horizon. The gist of the program was about a scientist who set out to prove that Astrology was wrong by doing a scientific study comparing (what I think)were the occupations of a group of people to their Birth Signs. The outcome of the study was that surprise surprise THERE WAS A CORRELATION. The scientist became convinced that there was perhaps something to Astrology. However the program ended by providing a rational explanation to the correlation which in no way involved the position of the planets when the people were born. The only other details I can remember about the program was I believe the scientist was French and the study was done in France. I would be delighted if anyone could update me on the following: - Who the scientist was? - A description and outcome of the scientific study? - Horizon's final explanation for the results of the study? Thanks Mongolia |
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Re: Almost astronomy
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 09 Jun 2005 17:02 PDT Rated: |
Thank you for accepting my suggestion regarding Michel Gauquelin. I was aware of his theories because of a radio program I heard long ago which debunked astrology rather thoroughly. "One piece of evidence supporting astrology that scientists have yet to disparage comes from Michel Gauquelin,who devoted twenty years to putting astrology to the test. Analysing birth dates fro 576 members of the French Academy of Medicine in 1950,he noted that a large proportion were born when Mars or Saturn had just risen over the horizon or 'culminated'" in the sky. He then included famous writers, actors, politicians, athletes and military men and found a similar pattern: Mars at the horizon or passing the highest point was linked to doctors, athletes and military leaders, Jupiter in the same positions with actors and politicians, while the Moon presided over eminent writers. A team of scientists in Belgium set out to test this so-called 'Mars effect',using famous sportsmen. To their surprise the results confirmed Gauquelin's findings,even when repeated." Omegaman UK: Paranormal and Mystery http://www.geocities.com/Omegaman_UK/astrolgy.html "Michel Gauquelin started the ball rolling in earnest with his 1955 study of the so-called Mars effect. Put simply, it states that Mars is more likely to be in certain parts of the sky when top sports stars are born. The study caused a predictable furore, but did not stand up to the barrage of criticism that followed. 'It was held up as a success for astrology, but when the results were looked at in close detail, and when the experiment was repeated, it fell apart,' says [astronomer Robert] Massey." Metareligion: Is astronomy real? http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Other/is_astrology_real.htm "The noted French writer and intellectual, Michel Gauquelin, was fascinated by astrology. Hardly a devotee, Gauquelin was a strong critic of the demonstrably foolish claims of traditional astrologers. Yet strangely, in his research intended to debunk astrology, Gauquelin discovered something puzzling. He found a direct statistical correlation between the planetary positions at the time of a person's birth and that individual's personality and eventual achievement. Gauquelin claimed to have found a relationship between Jupiter and military prowess, Venus and artists, Saturn and scientists, and Mars and sports greatness. The last of these showed the strongest correlation." Dr Stephen Juan: The Mars Effect http://www.harpercollins.com.au/drstephenjuan/0209news.htm You might be interested in this book, which examines Gauquelin's "Mars effect" in a skeptical light: Amazon: The "Mars Effect": A French Test of 1000 Sports Champions http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879759887 You'll find interesting material related to "The Mars effect" here: HPLeft Consciousness: sTARBABY http://www.hpleft.com/starbaby.html And here: THE TRUE DISBELIEVERS: Mars Effect Drives Skeptics to Irrationality http://www.discord.org/~lippard/kammann.html My Google search strategy: Google Web Search: "michel gauquelin" astrology ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22michel+gauquelin%22+astrology If I come across any additional information, I'll post it here for you. I have emailed two friends in the UK who might know more about a Horizon BBC program that discussed Gauquelin's work. Very best regards, pinkfreud |
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Pink Many thanks for these very useful links (Especially the starbaby reference which which goes into the subject in considerable detail) I also notice that Michel Gauquelin died in the early nineties. The Horizon program may well have predated his death. Mongolia |
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Re: Almost astronomy
From: pinkfreud-ga on 09 Jun 2005 12:00 PDT |
I wonder if the French scientist may have been Michel Gauquelin. "One piece of evidence supporting astrology that scientists have yet to disparage comes from Michel Gauquelin,who devoted twenty years to putting astrology to the test. Analysing birth dates fro 576 members of the French Academy of Medicine in 1950,he noted that a large proportion were born when Mars or Saturn had just risen over the horizon or 'culminated'" in the sky.He then included famous writers, actors, politicians, athletes and military men and found a similar pattern: Mars at the horizon or passing the highest point was linked to doctors, athletes and military leaders, Jupiter in the same positions with actors and politicians, while the Moon presided over eminent writers. A team of scientists in Belgium set out to test this so-called 'Mars effect',using famous sportsmen. To their surprise the results confirmed Gauquelin's findings,even when repeated." http://www.geocities.com/Omegaman_UK/astrolgy.html "Michel Gauquelin started the ball rolling in earnest with his 1955 study of the so-called Mars effect. Put simply, it states that Mars is more likely to be in certain parts of the sky when top sports stars are born. The study caused a predictable furore, but did not stand up to the barrage of criticism that followed. 'It was held up as a success for astrology, but when the results were looked at in close detail, and when the experiment was repeated, it fell apart,' says [astronomer Robert] Massey." http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Other/is_astrology_real.htm "The noted French writer and intellectual, Michel Gauquelin, was fascinated by astrology. Hardly a devotee, Gauquelin was a strong critic of the demonstrably foolish claims of traditional astrologers. Yet strangely, in his research intended to debunk astrology, Gauquelin discovered something puzzling. He found a direct statistical correlation between the planetary positions at the time of a person's birth and that individual's personality and eventual achievement. Gauquelin claimed to have found a relationship between Jupiter and military prowess, Venus and artists, Saturn and scientists, and Mars and sports greatness. The last of these showed the strongest correlation." http://www.harpercollins.com.au/drstephenjuan/0209news.htm |
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Re: Almost astronomy
From: mongolia-ga on 09 Jun 2005 16:42 PDT |
Deear Pink Yes that is indeed the scientist. If you can get any more information about the Horizon program (I just need the very basics) that would be wonderful. Also some of the non-astrological explanations of Gauquelin's results would be great to hear too. (I think I vaguely remember the program dealing at some length with the debunking explanations) In any case please go ahead and post this as an answer (you have answered at least two thirds of my question) Many Thanks Mongolia |
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Re: Almost astronomy
From: pinkfreud-ga on 10 Jun 2005 16:49 PDT |
Thank you very much for the five stars and the nice tip! A friend from the UK has told me that he remembers the "Horizon" program, and he thinks it was broadcast in the early 1980s. If I learn more, I'll let you know. ~pinkfreud |
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