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Subject:
Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
Category: Computers Asked by: zugzug-ga List Price: $35.00 |
Posted:
10 Jun 2005 10:19 PDT
Expires: 10 Jul 2005 10:19 PDT Question ID: 531891 |
I am involved in a project where I am likely to have a number of client computers (say, 50) in one location that will all be running the same client software that connects to a server. Think 50 computers side by side playing spades on yahoo. The thing is, I don't want it to be easily discernable by the company I'm connecting to (yahoo, in this example) that all of my computers are sitting in the same room. Yes, I promise what I'm going to be doing is entirely legal. Again, I'm not talking about simple web services... if there's a web proxy or anonymizer that does what I'm asking, I'm not aware of it, which is why I'm asking this question. I want the IP addresses of the computers to look as dissimilar as possible. If they all have the same first three groupings in their IP addresses and the last is the only one that varies, that is most decidely not 'covert'. I would take having the first two groupings the same as a last resort, but would prefer more randomness. Note: if the IP addresses assigned are all very different-looking, but all EASILY tracable back to the same service, this doesn't really help. What are my options? I would prefer an option in the Seattle, WA or Vancouver, BC area, if location matters for any of the options. |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: djbaker-ga on 10 Jun 2005 11:08 PDT |
For the life of me I can not think of a single reason you would need this either not illegal or not some kind of fraud. |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: zugzug-ga on 10 Jun 2005 12:16 PDT |
I'm sorry you can't think of an example. I am not going to say what this is for, but for the record I have no problem with the accounts being linkable by law enforcement or even a thorough investigation, I just don't want a quick check to reveal the proximity in location. I would think that internet scammers have more anonymous ways to do things that don't involve a clear paper trail of paying for services? |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: bokomoko-ga on 10 Jun 2005 13:30 PDT |
You can do that by having multiple IP's pools. You can use a VPN server running in Linux (pptpd for example). In the configuration of this daemon, you write a simple txt file with the various IP's from the various pools in an random order. The ppptp daemon will assign the IP's in a seemingly random way. Your users must use an VPN client to conect to VPN server. The trick here is to use the VPN as a way to assign IP's. DHCP would do the trick too. The problem remains to obtain those IP pools. Maybe you can buy various ranges from different ISP's. This probably will cost more than if you had a single, continuous IP pool from a single ISP. Hope this hint will help you. |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: zugzug-ga on 10 Jun 2005 20:56 PDT |
This is not what I'm looking for. The technical method of assigning the IPs is simple. It's acquiring the rights to the varied IP addresses that is the issue. In your scenario I would purchase IP blocks from diff't ISPs. This is cumbersome, and the 4 blocks would each be connectable to each other. In addition, managing the ingoing/outgoing traffic would be cumbersome... might as well skip the VPN and just have 4 networks. I'm looking for a single provider who will give me rights to many varied IPs. |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: termina-ga on 11 Jun 2005 10:19 PDT |
It seems like it would be fairly easy to find 50 seperate proxies to use for each computer. It would be very difficult for someone to find who each request came from, especially if you use proxies that are outside of the US. Also, you could try something like tor (tor.eff.org) for some of your computers. |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: kennethcircle-ga on 16 Jun 2005 23:50 PDT |
em... I think your requirements are somehow contradictory... If there really exists a service provider that is able to assign 50 "quite unsimilar" IP addresses to you, then those addresses would be easily traced by services like whois, or it will simply help you get blocks of addresses from ISP in different countries, then as what you have said, it would be cumbersome to manage the traffics for the service provider. You are not looking for web proxy either. So, I guess there is probably no solution for your question. |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: karthikg-ga on 17 Jun 2005 12:35 PDT |
As others have commented, the simple answer is there is NO simple solution. The IP packets need to traverse the ISP network. So your computer cannot put random addresses. So either you need to get the 50 random addresses from one ISP or from a collection of ISPs. Again as you've stated this is cumbersome. Once you've obtained a set of 50 random addresses, you can do further randomness with tricks like NAT. You can set up a simple NAT router to randomly assign addresses from this 50 address pool to various connections. Another approach is (in a very simplisitic way) to have a proxy for each computer in the room in someother geographically different location (hence differnet ISP, different IP). A computer sends its request to its proxy to relay the request to the server. This is really expensive but a sure way to ensure the server cannot figure out all requests come from the same place. Note that every the very forwarding by routers use aggregated dest-ip prefixes. So the request you are making is going against this way of IP packet forwarding |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: mhylton0121-ga on 28 Jun 2005 13:04 PDT |
im not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here is a program that lets you have multiple adresses on a LAN. here's the description: Honeyd is a small daemon that creates virtual hosts on a network. The hosts can be configured to run arbitrary services, and their TCP personality can be adapted so that they appear to be running certain versions of operating systems. Honeyd enables a single host to claim multiple addresses on a LAN for network simulation. It is possible to ping the virtual machines, or to traceroute them. Any type of service on the virtual machine can be simulated according to a simple configuration file. It is also possible to proxy services to another machine rather than simulating them. hope this works |
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Re: Multiple unrelated IP addresses in one location
From: zugzug-ga on 28 Jun 2005 19:09 PDT |
mhylton, I do not believe that product would work for connections that end outside the local LAN, but thanks. karthikg, your answer has been the best so far i'd say, though not really a complete answer obviously. I am aware that the nature of IP addressing and internet routing is such that dissimilar IP addresses must go through dissimilar routing... I appreciate the thoughts. Sounds like I'd need to go the multiple ISP route and get 5-10 IPs per, and hope that is sufficient. |
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