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Origin and meaning of the use of the salutation "yours, &c."
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: obiwin-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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17 Jun 2005 09:03 PDT
Expires: 17 Jul 2005 09:03 PDT Question ID: 534230 |
It sometimes shows up as "I remain yours, &c." or "Respectfully yours,&c" or "I am always yours, &c" If you do a Google search on "yours, &c." you will see numerous examples. When did people start using it? and what does it mean? Is the "&c." similar to etc.? |
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Re: Origin and meaning of the use of the salutation "yours, &c."
Answered By: jackburton-ga on 17 Jun 2005 12:36 PDT Rated: |
Hi obiwin, "&c." is an archaic abbreviation for "et cetera". Linguistics Professor E. Wayles Browne explains its origin: ""&" has been around almost as long as "et". It was an ancient Roman abbreviation (e and t together make &). So I'm sure they themselves wrote "& caetera" side by side with "et caetera" when they wanted to express "and the others". As for usage in English, "&c" and "etc." have both been around for centuries, ..." http://ezra.cornell.edu/posting.php?timestamp=1073538000 -- "Et cetera, often abbreviated to etc., &c. or &/c especially in older texts, is Latin for and the others. It is often used to represent the logical continuation of some sort of series of descriptions. For example: We need a lot of fruit: apples, bananas, oranges, etc. It is important to avoid the phrase "and etc." because then you are saying "and and the others". Note that in formal contexts, it is preferable to write the full phrase et cetera as opposed to the abbreviations. The English equivalents and so on and and so forth are also suitable. The abbreviated versions should always be followed by a full stop, and it is customary, even in British English in which there is no comma before 'and' in lists, that et cetera always be preceeded by a comma. Thus: A, B, C, etc. and not: A, B, C etc. When dealing with lists of persons, it is considered extremely inappropriate and insulting to use et cetera instead of et al. (which stands for et alii) or and others." http://www.answers.com/topic/et-cetera Search terms used: "&c" abbreviations "&c" "et caetera" "&c" "et cetera" | |
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Re: Origin and meaning of the use of the salutation "yours, &c."
From: waukon-ga on 17 Jun 2005 12:52 PDT |
The ampersand ('&') is a ligatature of the letters 'e' and 't'. A ligature combines two or more letters into a single character. I would not call the ampersand an abbreviation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligature_(typography) |
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Re: Origin and meaning of the use of the salutation "yours, &c."
From: myoarin-ga on 28 Jun 2005 07:07 PDT |
Greetings, As to the use of "yours etc." in closing letters, I believe this reflects much earlier usage, when in Europe letters were signed under formal expressions or respect to the person addressed in the letter - just as the opening included more resepctful terms than just "Dear ...". This formality arose in times when social hierarchy were more rigid and written communications were between persons of at the upper levels and very conscious of their relative status, so when signing a letter to a higher ranked person it was common (and appropriate, and the omission a breach of etiquette) to sign with something like "with greatest respect, your (most) humble and obedient servant ..." I know that I have seen copies of letters in books, in which such an "acquiescent" closing was patently inappropriate, as the writer was of higher rank. This suggests that such closings had become a meaningless formality, but such formalities are still common in some languages when addressing envelopes, using outmoded forms (wouldn't want the letter carrier to think that the recipient was a nobody (-: ). And using such outmoded forms suggested that the writer was maybe a step or two higher socially, aware of the correct form used by persons of rank. I believe this was later abbreviated to "yours etc.", perhaps following a time when "respectfully yours etc." let it be more clear that the "humble servant" or whatever was being alluded to, which could also be an expression of professional equality and respect. German lawyers still sign business letters to each other with "Mit kollegialer Hochachtung" (with collegial respect) or the like, thereby signifying their professional respect for the person addressed and indicating that the content of the letter (maybe boldly refuting points in a case) is not personally meant. Myoarin |
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Re: Origin and meaning of the use of the salutation "yours, &c."
From: namteo-ga on 14 Jul 2005 17:55 PDT |
I happened on this page after a rereading of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. After seeing multiple instances of "yours, etc." in one form or another appearing at the end of correpsondence, I would have to agree with myoarin-ga's assessment of its origins. Although no expert on the matter, it would appear that "yours, etc." and its variants allude to a set of standard salutations in correspondence. I have found a few examples which seem to point to this intepretation. Darcy ends a letter to Lady Catherine de Bourgh with "YOURS SINCERELY, ETC." A letter from Lydia to Elizabeth towards the end of the novel ends with "YOURS, ETC." Maybe meaningless, but observed nonetheless, is that the characters who share a more casual relationship (Lydia to Lizzie, Elizabeth with her aunt and uncle) ended their letters with "Yours, etc." Maybe this could imply that formality and the length of these endings are directly related. Another possible interpretation is that the "etc." is used to replace the details of an ending salutation already known between correspondents. For instance, in the same novel, Mr. Collins ends one of his letters with "I remain, dear sir, with respectful compliments to your lady and daughters, your well-wisher and friend, WILLIAM COLLINS." Later on in the novel, he shortens it to "I AM, DEAR SIR, ETC. ETC." I suppose most of what I just wrote is merely conjecture. Still, one thing we can be sure about is that "Yours, etc." has been in use since 1813, when Pride and Prejudice was published, and one can assume that it was used further back than that. |
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