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The Outsider in the literature.
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Books and Literature Asked by: litbuff-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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17 Jun 2005 13:57 PDT
Expires: 17 Jul 2005 13:57 PDT Question ID: 534364 |
I like to know as many works of literaure (minimum 15, max. 50)that depict "outsider" as the major persona in their stories. Identify who these charaters are in each case (if more than one identify the multiple charaters). He/she/they could be protagonist(s) or antagonist(s), but they definitely have a complex character. |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: chromedome-ga on 18 Jun 2005 11:29 PDT |
Frankly, Litbuff, that's a whole lot of work for the fee you're offering. However, I'd recommend that you begin with Colin Wilson's seminal book "The Outsider," which will probably get you about 80% of the way there. Here is the ghastly long Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0874772060/qid=1119119255/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/002-1537489-7432023?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 -Chromedome |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: pinkfreud-ga on 18 Jun 2005 11:40 PDT |
One of my favorite outsiders in literature is Boo Radley, the misunderstood recluse in Harper Lee's "To Kill a Mockingbird." Another is Holden Caulfield, the protagonist of J.D. Salinger's "The Catcher in the Rye." |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: byrd-ga on 18 Jun 2005 15:51 PDT |
I'll add Nick Carraway in F. Scott Fitzgerald's "The Great Gatsby;" the title character in Shakespeare's "Othello;" and "Bartleby," one of Melville's more pathetic and tragic isolatoes. |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: czh-ga on 19 Jun 2005 00:36 PDT |
How about Rudolf, the red nosed raindeer? "They never let poor Rudolf, join in any reindeer games." http://www.visualparadox.com/images/no-linking-allowed-/rudolph.jpg |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: litbuff-ga on 19 Jun 2005 03:15 PDT |
WOW , what a bunch of good suggestions! Thanks Chrome, Pink, Byrd and (I am not 100% sure czh about Rudolff but thnks anyway :) ) As far as the price is concerned , this is my first time and I was not quite sure, so of course I underestimated! How about Tom Joad of (G. Of W.)? Huck of Mark Twain? |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: badger75-ga on 19 Jun 2005 09:18 PDT |
Look at most of John Steinbeck: Of Mice and Men The Pearl Cannery Row Tortilla Flat The Grapes of Wrath Most of Ernest Hemingway: To Have and Have Mot The Old Man and the Sea The Sun Also Rises For Whom the Bell Tolls Robert Penn Warren: All the KIngs Men Actually, the outsider as protagonist is a common theme in lit. |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: czh-ga on 19 Jun 2005 14:37 PDT |
Hi litbuff-ga, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer Had a very shiny nose And if you ever saw it You would even say it glows All of the other reindeer Used to laugh and call him names They never let poor Rudolph Join in any reindeer games Then one foggy Christmas Eve Santa came to say "Rudolph with your nose so bright Won't you guide my sleigh tonight?" Then how the reindeer loved him And they shouted out with glee "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer You'll go down in history!" I'm surprised you don't get why Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer is the quintessential American outsider's story. Every kid who was ever the last to be picked on the playground identifies with Rudolf. The other reindeer "used to laugh and call him names" is the experience of kids bullied and not fitting in that could be extended to Columbine or Red Lake without too much of a stretch of the imagination. What about Santa? Does he step in to deal with the problems? No. But when he sees the opportunity to use Rudolf for his shiny nose, suddenly all is considered happy. The sycophant reindeer suddenly "loved him" and brown nosed with Santa so they could stay in his good favors. I'm always amazed that this little horror story is used at Christmas, the celebration of the humble birth of the Savior. Maybe it's because I wasn't raised in the US but I've always thought the Rudolf story was unfit for children. Maybe you think I'm exaggerating, but it's definitely the story of an outsider who makes good. |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: litbuff-ga on 20 Jun 2005 04:43 PDT |
I get it czh, I get it! But if you looked at my question I was not just asking for any Good ol' outsider, I was specfically asking for one with "complex character". I know "complex" is subjective, but you have to admit the Rudolff character is not well fleshed out by the famous children song! One other point, an outsider by defintion (mine) is one that stays OUT, not the one who joins IN as soon as opportunity permits! The bloody guy is so "in" now that he (his similie?) is one of the biggest commerciallized pieces of plastic thrash ever produced!! Thanks again though :) |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: litbuff-ga on 20 Jun 2005 13:52 PDT |
I can't spell wow!! lol |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: hammer-ga on 21 Jun 2005 05:08 PDT |
Shakespeare offers some complex outisders. Just a couple of examples are: Shylock from The Merchant of Venice Prospero from The Tempest - Hammer |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: czh-ga on 21 Jun 2005 21:20 PDT |
Dirt Music by Tim Winton http://mostlyfiction.com/excerpts/dirtmusic.htm This is a terrific read about complex characters and what it means to be an outsider. It's set in Western Australia and the setting is as fascinating as the story. I just finished reading it and look forward to checking out the rest of Winton's books. |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: litbuff-ga on 22 Jun 2005 13:36 PDT |
Thanks czh for the suggestion. I'll try to get my hands on the book. It does sound quite intersting. |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: myoarin-ga on 26 Jun 2005 14:11 PDT |
Thomas Hardy's "Jude, the Obscure", maybe also "Tess of the d'Urbervilles" Surely several of Joseph Conrad's characters, Heinrich von Kleist's "Michael Kohlhaas" Hamlet ? Faust and the young Werther by Goethe |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Jun 2005 14:14 PDT |
How about Eeyore, from A. A. Milne's "Winnie the Pooh" stories? |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: myoarin-ga on 27 Jun 2005 16:21 PDT |
Alas, poor Eeyore ... Many spy and detective novels are about "outsiders", though the quality of such as novels could be debated. John le Carre's (spelling?) could qualify: "Smiley's People" or "The Spy who came out of the Cold", and others. |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: amber00-ga on 30 Jun 2005 14:47 PDT |
The Colin Wilson book is very useful. An obvious (but so far unmentioned) novel is Albert Camus's 'The Outsider' (L'Etranger). Also Camus's 'The Plague' (La Peste). Jean Paul Sartre's 'Nausea (La Nausee) has an outsider central character. And there are several ousiders in Sartre's 'The Roads to Freedom' trilogy (Les chemins de la liberte). And if you wish to include plays then anything by Samuel Becket ( but especially 'Waiting for Godot') and several plays by Harold Pinter (e.g. 'The Caretaker') would be relevant. One of my favourites would be 'Hadrian VII' by Frederick William Rolfe (the outsider is a prickly eccentric who becomes pope). Also Rolfe's 'The Desire and Pursuit of the Whole' and 'The One and the Many' feature outider central characters. |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: theamazingkrezkin-ga on 04 Aug 2005 20:03 PDT |
Walk into the literature (not fiction) section of any bookstore, throw 50 rocks and you will do all right. The suggestions listed below or above should cover your basic inquiry, but you might consider narrowing the scope of your question. I suggest looking for particular modes of alienation (geographical, sexual, philosophical, emotional, spiritual, etc) and then try to find a character of interest within that scope. Of course any character of note will suffer from more than one form of alienation, but tracing particular issues or tendencies through multiple characters would, I think, be of great interest. But if you want the great book of outsiders, belly up to Moby Dick. They are so outside they can' even see land. And then read D.H. Lawrence's essay on Moby Dick. Good stuff... But now I need an answer. There exists a Hemingway parody out there somewhere where Winnie the Pooh is home from the wars and Tigger is teaching aerobics in Dallas. Its good stuff but I can't find it on the Hemingway contest boards or anywhere else. Please help and sorry to distract from the main question. (Pardon the spelling) |
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Re: The Outsider in the literature.
From: theamazingkrezkin-ga on 04 Aug 2005 20:05 PDT |
I realize that my last post circumvents the whole point of these question boards so I apologize for the inpropriety. |
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