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Subject:
False negative drug screen
Category: Health > Medicine Asked by: triciatx-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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21 Jun 2005 08:57 PDT
Expires: 21 Jul 2005 08:57 PDT Question ID: 535492 |
My husband in on 100% disability thru the V.A. Without fail, he takes prescription controlled release Oxycontin 2 times a day. The problem is that he has had negative results on 2 urine drug screens. He also drinks beer daily and takes other prescription meds. What could be interfering with the drug screen and causing it to read a false negative? | |
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Re: False negative drug screen
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 22 Jun 2005 18:58 PDT Rated: |
Dear triciatx-ga; Thank you for allowing me an opportunity to answer your interesting question. I am not a medically trained physician but I am a law enforcement laboratory technician who routinely handles evidence including specimens for drug screens. A drug screen is a complex thing and the higher tuned (more sensitive) it is the more complex it becomes. You see, drug screens can be adjusted to detect various trace amounts of many different types of drugs. Some test react positively for the presence of drugs (substances or derivatives) only if those traces appear in the test medium in certain volumes. For example, a person on parole may be given a test for marijuana (cannabis, hash, etc) that will respond positive if the test medium contains traces above a certain ?cutoff level? where the cutoff level is very low (10ng/ml possibly) . Whereas a person applying for a job may be given a test for marijuana (cannabis, hash, etc) that will respond positive only if the test medium contains traces above a certain ?cutoff level? where the cutoff level is very high (50ng/ml possibly). It appears that one of a number of things have happened (and I am only being objective now so don?t freak out on me here, ok?): First possible scenario: Your husband is not taking his medicine or is not taking it properly and the test is showing negative because he doesn?t have enough Oxycontin and/or Oxycodone in his system to trigger the cutoff level of the test. Second possible scenario: Your husband really is taking his medicine but the cutoff level for positive on the test that is being administered to his specimen is unintentionally (or ignorantly) higher than what is intended, therefore a negative result is being detected. If this is the case then your husband is indeed positive, just not positive ?enough? to read positive on this particular test. Third possible scenario: The drug screen is being inappropriately or incorrectly administered or the specimen is being fouled, switched or tampered with (intentionally or not) between collection and processing. Fourth possible scenario: The drug screen is being misinterpreted and recorded incorrectly. There is some recent history with false results as is evidenced by studies conducted by the Veteran?s Administration (VA). For example, the VAGLAHS Outpatient Pain Program (OPMP) utilizes a standard Drug of Abuse (DOA) immunoassay and Biorad High Performance Liquid Chromatography (HPLC) Remedi-HS. These tests are used to monitor for medication compliance. In 2004 as many as 44 % of patients tested were found negative for opiates despite patient prescribed opioid medication. The VA concluded that the DOA test was not sensitive enough (in other words the cutoff was too high to detect the presence of opioids commensurate with what the VA considered minimum requirements). The bottom line though is that the consumption of alcohol, as you seem to be concerned about, has no effect on a drug screen for opiates. If that were the case most illegal narcotics users would also be an alcoholics to cover up his crime. You couldn?t keep enough beer in stock to stay open more than 8 hours at a time if addicts thought for a moment that beer fooled a drug screen. In addition I?ve been in law enforcement more than 20 years now and I?ve never EVER heard of alcohol messing up a drug screen; nor have I ever met an authority that claimed so. I saw noting in my research that indicate the other drugs your husband takes concomitantly can interfere with a drug screen. Not knowing a think about either of you more than you?ve told me, I?d have to blindly suspect scenario #1 or scenario #2 (but I REALLY suspect #2 the most likely cause). If the matter is a serious issue with your husband, I recommend you go to your physician next time a text is administered and also ask for blood to be drawn or some other alternative testing method to show your are following the rules as you are required to do. I hope you find that my research exceeds your expectations. If you have any questions about my research please post a clarification request prior to rating the answer. Otherwise, I welcome your rating and your final comments and I look forward to working with you again in the near future. Thank you for bringing your question to us. Best regards; Tutuzdad ? Google Answers Researcher OTHER INFORMATION SOURCES HSR&D 2004 National Meeting Abstracts ?Result of Urine Toxicology in VA Patients Treated In a Pain Clinic? http://www1.va.gov/hsrd/about/national_meeting/2004/abstracts/2047.htm SEARCH STRATEGY SEARCH ENGINES USED: Google ://www.google.com SEARCH TERMS USED: Drug screen Oxycontin Oxycodone False negative | |
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Excellent research and report. I was very impressed that a study was included that was precisely on the subject of my question. tutuzdad-ga is great and I look forward to working with him/her again. |
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Re: False negative drug screen
From: isophist-ga on 22 Jun 2005 04:51 PDT |
are you sure they're LOOKING for oxycontin in the toxicology screen? it all depends on what the test is looking for...it can totally miss cocaine if it's only looking for marijuana...etc. |
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Re: False negative drug screen
From: rhenium-ga on 23 Jun 2005 03:35 PDT |
Caffeine, alcohol and hydrochlorothiazide are all diuretics, and if he drinks a lot of liquids he will flush the opiates from his system faster, and the urine sample will become diluted. |
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Re: False negative drug screen
From: tutuzdad-ga on 23 Jun 2005 06:11 PDT |
That is not true at all. The Parts per million can naturally diminish over time but nothing can "dilute" a sample unless it is added to the sample "after" collection. The problem is clearly the TEST...read the VA article. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: False negative drug screen
From: rhenium-ga on 23 Jun 2005 08:09 PDT |
I still think you are wrong, diuretics speed up the elimination of drugs excreted by the kidneys, and much more so if you consume larger amounts of liquids (like beer). A person using (multiple) diuretics and ingesting larger amounts of water may have an unusually low urine opiate concentration, one that falls below the cutoff-point on a drug test designed for "normal" individuals to check for a relatively high opiate concentraton. How many hours had passed from the last opiate dose to time the urine was collected? I may have used the term "diluted" wrong, tho... In chemistry, when comparing two solutions with different concentrations, you usually call the one with a lesser concentration "diluted". |
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Re: False negative drug screen
From: tutuzdad-ga on 23 Jun 2005 10:09 PDT |
But the problem is that you are speculating that diuretics "speed up the elimination of drugs excreted by the kidneys", when in fact the diuretics taken by the patient may merely make him excrete liquids at a medically "normal" rate where he was not doing so prior to being prescribed the diuretics. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: False negative drug screen
From: rhenium-ga on 23 Jun 2005 11:32 PDT |
It's much more likely that he is being prescribed the diuretic medication against high blood pressure, caused in part by the alcohol and caffeine he consumes, his regimen also includes other drugs for treating high blood pressure. Drug tests are not bulletproof, and my explanation fits your second scenario. I find it likely that a test designed to make sure a patient is using all his medication has a high cut-off point, the test is useless if a patient can sell half of his dose to others and still test positive. (Just to make clear, I think you are an excellent researcher; everyone can make oversights.) -Re |
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Re: False negative drug screen
From: tutuzdad-ga on 23 Jun 2005 12:23 PDT |
I tend to believe the test is not tuned correctly for this particular result as evidenced by the VA article in which the author explains how the reasons for the faulty results are not yet known but attributed to a non-sensitive test. I deal with integrity issues with regard to these types of samples daily in a lab environment so I don't see where dilution is as issue. At any rate the scenarios listed are the most likley. Which one actually fits remains to be seen. Thanks for the positive vibes though. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: False negative drug screen
From: linezolid-ga on 08 Jul 2005 17:41 PDT |
Re: diuretics If you take a diuretic daily, your body equilibrates, reguardless of what the diuretic is (or how many diuretics you take). Over the long term, the amount of liquid you excrete is matched by the amount of liquid you ingest (minus insensible losses: breathing, sweating). Otherwise, diuretics would kill people by dehydration, and quick. Diuretics will essentially maintain you at a lower effective vascular volume (another topic entirely). Re: fluid intake. Assume that the amount of drug filtered per unit time follows first order kinetics (the most common kind of secretion/excretion). This means that the blood concentration of the drug is related to the rate of excretion. The amount of urine is irrelevant to the amount of drug excreted. If during a given period (say between 2 and 4 hours after your take your oxycontin) you excrete X miligrams of the drug, and you produce 200 mililiters of urine, the concentration of drug in your urine will be X/200 mg/mL. If, the following day, you produce 400mL of urine during the same period (between 2 and 4 hours after you take your oxycontin), the concentration in your urine will be x/400 mg/mL, or HALF the concentration it was during the same peroid the previous day. If the threshold for testing positive is set at x/300 mg/mL, you will test positive on the first day, and negative on the second day, despite having the same blood levels on both days. Thus: both Rhenium and Tutuzdad are potentially correct. The threshold for testing is very likely contributing to the problem. AND the high fluid intake (coffee and beer) might possibly contribute. The diuretic effects of hydrochlorthiazide, ethyl alcohol, and caffeine are irrelevant. QED. |
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