I am looking for specific information, ie blueprints actual car models
etc, on water-powered car engines.  I am planning to build a car that
runs on water, and know that this is a sensative topic.

So far in the good category I have found well frankly not much.  I do
know about Patent #4394230 by Andrija Puharich but cannot find a pic
or info on his actual car.

Information that is "dead end" and or non-vaulable:  I have run across
Daniel Dingels invention that is total crap, I dont want to convert a
Internal Combustion engine into a water-powered engine, i want to
vibrate water to split the water molecules to produce H (2) and O (2),
in which i would use hydrogen to fuel the car.  I am aware of Honda's
FCX and BMW's Clean Energy Cars (including the 750hL) and have info
regarding both.  I also have information on the water powered car the
KeelyNet provides that is also bogus., with multiple critical mistakes
in its basic designs.  I have information on Regenerative Braking that
can be used to recharge the battery during city use.  I also have a
copy of Patent #6302929 which helps zero.  I Do not want to under any
condition ignite hydrogen under any conditions whatsoever.  I have
suspision to believe that Chrysler and/or Honda developed protype cars
that ran on water at one time or another and that a scientist for
Pontiac may have developed a water-powered engine (not a car).  I
cannt find much on the Pacheco Bi-Polar Autoelectric Hydrogen
Generator Pat.  #5,089,107 but i dont want to know anything about John
Worrell Keely because his inventions were all fakes.  Also stuff like
Earth2012 projects and stuff are kinda worthless to me in that they
try to convert the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) into a
water-powered one once again.

I have run by the following plans as well that i dont have any idea
about but may help me but dont look like it :

http://www.hasslberger.com/img/plan1.gif
Some Stuff from the SEER'94 Event Program (whatever that is) etc

Im not too good with the pricing/time thing and dont actually know how
long this will take you all or if you can find anything in the first
place because it is a sensative topic (to the oil companies and to
politics of the gov.)  but just tell me how it is going.  And yes i
know that I spelled everything wrong im sorry and i have found one
book on amazon about the topic of water fuel and have ordered it
knowing that some of the calculations are wrong.  Good Luck and Thank
You So Much!!!

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Clarification of Question by terryg003-ga on 15 Jul 2005 19:06 PDT

thank you purpleprogrammer-ga, but i have looked at fuel cells and
considered that as a potential option, but we all know that this can
easily (well not easily) be done as seen through various vehicles
including some of the hydrogen cars that are being made by Honda, the
VCX if my memory serves me correctly.  I am looking to design an
engine that uses a scientific concept that in theory breaks the laws
of the conservation of energy, by spliting the atom of water to gain
the energy from the split as well as from the combination of the water
and hydrogen in a fuel cell (producing water) thus creating an engine
that runs on water NOT on hydrogen that the fuel companies can sell
and the government can tax you on.  Im not against the governments
taxes as they go to repairing the roads, but I think a CAR property
tax is the substitute if we can insitute cars that run on water.

In terms of providing the energy to split the water molicules to form
that energy one would have to provide energy to do this initial
process, which hopefully a part of which can come from a regenerative
braking system.

Also I am well aware that people like to hook up there cars with cool
stuff, but simply these engines would be silent, you could paint them
cool, pink flames maybe, whatever your into, why not through some 22's
on there for kicks.

Anyways, I admire your attempted project with the drifter, I hope all
goes well, I ask of you one thing, do not sell out to the oil
companies if you develop something outstanding, because that does not
benifit society.  I believe that you will be successful and have heard
stories of individuals who have been bought out, especially with solar
powered cars and aircraft of light weights by the government and
whatnot that were testing at the local airport (IAD Dullas
International Airport) and the project was then kept on the hush hush.
 Thank you for your comments, they are appriciated.  God Bless.

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Clarification of Question by terryg003-ga on 16 Jul 2005 22:16 PDT

Ok, Ill try to be a bit more vagualy specific (haha I wuv it). I
wonder if atom was the right word, more like the water bond, and my
question to google was for plans because I was not actually sure the
information specified in the patents was accurate enough to actually
build a water powered vehicle.  Take a look at the patents they
are....um......interesting.  Funding---hmm im not even 10% done like
you.  Im only a college student, at Mary Washington, and dont even
have enough research to begin to build a vehicle.  I relize the
commitment this would take, i would like to first build a model to
test it.  Im not in it for any money, im just doing this to pass the
summer, my job is so boring.  I wish I could tell you that I had
millions in funding and was in the final stages of implimenting this
technology into mainstream production...ha! That would take billions
of dollars.  I cannt even afford the 32k to go to clemson in SC!  Im
glad you got into a field that Big Oil doesnt effect too much and that
you have such a determination!  Its amazing how much society is
detering from progression, and how progression is detering society.  I
only hope that people like you and me can change this.  God Bless.

Greetings Terryg003,
Perhaps this article may be of interest, something from my home
country. More of a backyard inventor, but I hear his idea works.

Maker of water-powered car still fighting after 30 years
By Joey G. Alarilla
http://www.wasserauto.de/html/inquirer_article.html

unless you are talking about cold fusion the only way to use water
"normal H2O" to power a car is to split the water molicule into
hidrogen and oxygen and then combust the hydrogen. this reaction
necessary to split the water absorbs energy. so to split the water and
burn the hydrogen is too inificent to do in the car you would be
beater off to skip this step and make an electric car or just combust
comershly avalable hydrigen or split water at your house to obtain the
hydrogen to power the car.
i comind you for being willing to expend the effert to build such a
specolised car let me know when you sucede i would not mind having a
rich friend:>}

There is currently no practical way to get any energy out of water. 
Despite what deceptive advertising may suggest, water is the
pre-product to the actual fuel, hydrogen and oxygen, and the
by-product (aside from power) of any reaction between them.  In a 100%
efficient scenario, you would get as much energy out of the
hydrogen/oxygen as it took to produce it from water.

As far as not using combustion, you're most likely talking about a
fuel cell.  Fuel cells are somewhat easy to get ahold of, although
very expensive.  They combine hydrogen and oxygen to form water, and
make use of the energy provided by the spare electrons.  The hydrogen
is forced through a proton exchange membrane (hydrogen minus electron
= proton).

Apparently Shell has started providing hydrogen at a select few of
their gas stations.

You can use water and electricity to produce hydrogen and oxygen, but
the oxygen is usually not included in the fuel -- since the fuel cell
can get its own oxygen from the air.  Then, naturally, the by-product
of your hydrogen is water, as well as all of the energy you used to
separate it.

Fuel cells are rechargable and relatively efficient, as far as a
rechargable batteries go.  The primary advantage, aside from being
environment-friendly, is that you can pack TONS more usable power into
a hydrogen tank than you can into a regular nickel-cadmium battery of
the same size.  Comparing them to cars, they're quieter,
lower-maintenance, more environment friendly, and have a comparable
driving range.  There is even special equipment that can "refine"
gasoline into a form that fuel cells can use.

Aside from various mechanical shapes and sizes you need to pack into
the vehicle, the only other challenge is what you're going to use to
drive the wheels.  Almost all motors are going to need a gearbox, but
they don't necessairily need a transmission, since electric motors
have a superior range of speed.

The simplest solution is a mammoth DC brushed motor.  This motor will
be sensitive to water, and possibly moisture, will have brushes that
can wear out, but will require no special electric circuitry aside
from a "throttle" -- which would most likely have to be custom-made.

An "outrunner" sensored brushless motor would be extremely reliable
and simple to build and repair, with no parts that wear out, but the
magnets are sensitive to high heat, and brushless motors require more
complex circuitry, and possibly microcontroller software.  I'm sure
people who like to soup-up their cars would have a ball tweaking
brushless motors.

I am (very slowly) working on a project like this for an ultralight
aircraft.  We are currently about 10% through assembling a Maxair
Drifter.  We develop brushless motor and rechargable battery circuitry
and hardware (for an unrelated market) and expect to be able to get
the comparable horsepower and flight duration in about 1/2 of the
weight.

I'm not sure I understand.  Splitting a water molecule consumes (not
provides) energy...  But you said water atom... are you speaking of
having nuclear reactions in a car?  I've never heard of this being
practical with water -- atoms like uranium are much easier to split. 
I am certainly not one to be convinced out of the conservation of
energy.

Anyways, I have no intention of selling to anyone.  Oil companies have
a magnifying glass on the automotive industry, and they pay less
attention to aircraft.  Meanwhile, the unregulated aircraft/ultralight
industry is thirsty for safer, lighter and more reliable technology. 
It's an excellent foot in the door -- if it is accepted as viable in
aircraft, behind the backs of the Big Oil, it will be much harder for
them to stop it from being applied to cars.

By the way, what kind of a budget do you have?  What areas of
exptertise are you employing?  What is your timeline?  You may be
elligible for a grant or loan.

Not sure on the energy balance but fuel cells can get up to 40-50%
efficient on the size/power you're talking. There is a way to create
hydrogen bubbles frokm by hitting the resonant freq with transducers,
not sure if you get less out than in. Related: There is a fire station
somewhere in the US that spins a special rotor in a tub of cold water
-the acoustics heat the water enought to heat the station and also
generate enough steam to drive itself. Plenty scientist have looked at
it - they say it doesn't work, like the bumblebee can't fly. Fireman
say the place is warm. Entropy coming back in through Zero Point
Energy. Beats me! but there is more than we know I hope.

No kidding it's impossible.  Obviously, starting the rotation of a ton
of water would take a bit of power.  The water on the outside of the
flywheel would naturally heat up from the pressure, but when the steam
depressurizes, I would expect it to get cold.  Do you have any more
information on this fire station, or is it a myth?

Hey I was reading your post and totally agree!
http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/lights/757e/ this web page is for
a clock that extracts the electrolytes from any liquid, so if you find
a way to make it do that at a higher level then you got it made!
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans.htm or, you could go
to this page for a mod that converts ordinary tap water into gaseous
hydrogen and oxygen, and then burn these vapors in the engine, instead
of gasoline. I personally think that it would be cool to get a water
powered vehicle, but some other forms that involve electric engines
are solar, and using mini wind mills in the front vent of your vehicle
and/or catching air in it to make the props go, so that it turns it
into electricity and who knows what from there. One last thing that I
think you would be interested in... A magnetically run car! Search for
"coral castle" and you'll get a whole new meaning of magnetic. Tell me
if you get anything from it.

hey thanks for the link to that clock, i ordered it by the way, also i
researched a bit more, since i have been  busy with college work
distracting me and found out that there is a japanese company (the
same one that helped produce fuel cells for a protype honda hydrogen
vehile) that has developed a toy car that runs off of hydrogen
produced from water.  I thought that was kinda interesting, from the
same company that also developed cell phones that run on fuel cells,
if your into international investing i suggest checking this crap out.
 anyways, i have heard of that fire station, it is total bs, some
famous scientist did the same bs around the turn of the century and
wouldnt show anyone the interior of the walls in his building....i
dont know i hope i can get a working protype done of my vehile before
im out of college. peace.