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Subject: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
Category: Relationships and Society
Asked by: runningman05-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 04 Jul 2005 10:54 PDT
Expires: 03 Aug 2005 10:54 PDT
Question ID: 539849
Hey there, 

I have a relationship question...In April I met this girl at my
college.  I never knew she had a thing for me until we finally got to
know each other and realized we had feelings for each other, so we
started to date.  At first it just seemed like we were friends because
we were both really shy and not very assertive with each other.

We would laugh really hard at each other and would have so much fun. 
Now it is July and things seem a little different.  We've both met
each others families and what not and have speant basically every
other day to every two days with each other this summer.  (at school
we'd hang out everyday).  We've had the "deep" conversations and we
haven't been to affectionate with each other.

We've done the "sitting close together", "holding hands", "hugging";
but it hasn't gone beyond that really.  We've talked about kissing and
what not, but we both seem to chicken even though it seems we both
want to.

She is a beautiful girl and its one of those "healthy mind set"
relationships.  Were not just wanting to get drunk and sleep together,
I think we both want this relationship to go somewhere.  I feel really
happy when i'm around her.

However, as I was saying; as of lately here things seem to have dulled
down for me.  I don't feel that "excitement" of seeing her like I used
to.  It seems the "spark" has slightly gone out.  Sometimes when we
hang out we are just kind of silent and don't say much - then one of
us will be like "what are you thinking?" and the other person is like
"hmm, i don't know".

We just don't seem to actually say whats on our minds sometimes.  I
try to look on all things with a long term mind set.  Like is she the
one?  Where is this relationship going?  She has also expressed
concern for wanting more affection - but i just get so nervous to do
it, even though i like her so much.

I'm wondering what any of this means and if its bad or what not.  I
would love for that spark to come back and i'd love for the
relationship to not end.  She sometimes can be stressed out easily and
so i don't want to mess things up.  I just want her to be happy and
for there to be "excitement" when we see each other.

Sometimes i wonder if i should just move on...but then again i really
like her and want to stay with her.

Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated - i just need to
be pointed in the right direction or need a kick in the butt.

Thank you for your time......BTW if you need more details on something
or whatever let me know, i'm just keeping it brief for an easy read...

Request for Question Clarification by cynthia-ga on 04 Jul 2005 14:18 PDT
It's not bad, the change is normal.  The question you need to answer
to yourself is:

Do you feel like "looking?" --or do you feel like you're hanging out
with your best friend?

If you feel like looking, you need to move on.  If you feel like you
are with your best friend, then you are experiencing the normal
progression from 'infactution' to the precurser to 'love.'

In any event, be open and honest with her. It sounds as if you both
are feeling the shift.  This is normal and healthy.  Talk about it. 
It may be difficult, but any long-term friendship and/or love
relationship requires some soul-searching and uncomfortable honesty. 
If you make it through this stage together, my prediction is you will
move to the next level...

So, the question remains:

Do you feel like "looking?" --or do you feel like you're hanging out
with your best friend?


~~Cynthia

Clarification of Question by runningman05-ga on 04 Jul 2005 14:26 PDT
Thanks cynthia, 

Well I would have to say I don't feel like i'm "looking".  We've had
such fun times together I feel like I'm with a "best friend".  We get
along very well and can have a great time together.  Just sometimes
there are these moments of awkward silence - and lately I wasn't sure
what the either dullness or loss of excitement was.  Also showing
affection towards each other is difficult, and maybe it's only
me...I'm not sure.  But she has told me she's usually not the one to
"make moves" you could say.

However, when you say to be honest with her...are you saying I should
bring up how I'm feeling and ask her about it?
Thanks
Answer  
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 04 Jul 2005 18:59 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi runningman...

It seems to me that, as is often the case in questions involving
relationships, the answer is contained in your question:

"At first it just seemed like we were friends because we were both
 really shy and not very assertive with each other."

"We've had the "deep" conversations and we haven't been too
 affectionate with each other."

"We've done the 'sitting close together', 'holding hands',
 'hugging'; but it hasn't gone beyond that really.  We've
 talked about kissing and what not, but we both seem to chicken
 even though it seems we both want to."

"However, as I was saying; as of lately here things seem to have
 dulled down for me.  I don't feel that 'excitement' of seeing her
 like I used to.  It seems the 'spark' has slightly gone out."

"She has also expressed concern for wanting more affection - but
 i just get so nervous to do it, even though i like her so much."

"I would love for that spark to come back and i'd love for the
 relationship to not end.  She sometimes can be stressed out
 easily and so i don't want to mess things up.  I just want her
 to be happy and for there to be "excitement" when we see each
 other."

"i just need to be pointed in the right direction or need a kick
 in the butt."

Tellingly, that last sentence is precisely the answer you're 
seeking, which is often the case with personal disclosures.

I worked in the field of mental health for over 20 years, and
I can't tell you how often the last sentence in an initial
interview told me exactly what was being requested, if only on
the level of the subconscious, by the person being interviewed.

So, before I deliver the requested "kick in the butt", let's
look at what's implied by the other quotes I listed:


"At first it just seemed like we were friends because we were
 both really shy and not very assertive with each other."

You're both shy and unassertive, and therefore you're both
disinclined to move beyond verbal communication to the more
committed and scary level of intimacy required in order to
communicate non-verbally, or by way of increased physical 
affection.


"We've had the "deep" conversations and we haven't been too
 affectionate with each other."

Again, an indication that you'd like to be more affectionate,
but haven't made the leap.


"We've done the 'sitting close together', 'holding hands',
 'hugging'; but it hasn't gone beyond that really.  We've
 talked about kissing and what not, but we both seem too
 chicken even though it seems we both want to."

Again, you both want to be more boldly affectionate, but are
"chicken" to make that seemingly dangerous initial move.


"However, as I was saying; as of lately here things seem to have
 dulled down for me.  I don't feel that 'excitement' of seeing her
 like I used to.  It seems the 'spark' has slightly gone out."

What you need to understand here is that what you feel in the
presence of another is product of what you feel by yourself, plus
what she feels by herself, plus what she feels in your presence,
*multiplied by* what you feel in her presence. What's important
to know is that it's much more than an additive process. It's not
just how you feel plus how she feels added together - it's how you
feel *multiplied* by how she feels, and vice-versa, back and forth.
This is the source of both the glory, and tragedy, of the 
intensity which can result from intimate relationships.

Therefore, consider the very real possibility that when you
are having the feeling that the spark has disappeared from
the moments you spend together, that you are feeling this
as much because this is what *she* is feeling as because this
is what *you* are feeling - multiplied, intensified, and fed
back and forth between you. This would seem to be confirmed
by the next quote:


"She has also expressed concern for wanting more affection - but
 i just get so nervous to do it, even though i like her so much."

And add in the quote from your clarification:

"...she has told me she's usually not the one to 'make moves'
 you could say."

She's made it clear that she wants to take the next step into
intimacy, by way of less talk and an increased experience of
physical affection. It also seems clear that, being as shy as
she is, she expects you to take on the challenge of initiating
this step.

It's also clear that you are equally shy, even to the point of
adopting a lower-case "i" in the quote above which implies your
recognition of your responsibility to take the lead in this 
matter, "...i just get so nervous to do it, even though i like
 her so much", as well as in your final quote, in which you say:
"i just need to be pointed in the right direction or need a kick
 in the butt."

There's no doubt in my mind that, as a result of your choice,
up to now, not to respond to her expressed interest in further
experiences in physical affection, she is feeling that the 
"spark", or momentum, or life, has gone out of the relationship.
Independently of her, you are feeling the same thing, and when
you get together, you magnify this back and forth between you,
making it seem to be all that's left of the relationship.

In fact, it's merely that you're both feeling that blockage to
a deeper relationship, and that block will disappear as soon 
as there is a response to it.


"I would love for that spark to come back and i'd love for the
 relationship to not end.  She sometimes can be stressed out
 easily and so i don't want to mess things up.  I just want her
 to be happy and for there to be "excitement" when we see each
 other."

Once again, you acknowledge (with a capitalized I) what you want
and what she has indicated she wants, but then the insecure "i"
in lower case expresses the fear of messing things up.


"i just need to be pointed in the right direction or need a kick
 in the butt."

So here it comes. It seems clear to me that, in addition to being
admittedly shy, your girlfriend is of a traditional mindset that
says the the male should take the lead in matters of affection,
while she takes the more passive and receptive role. While both
you and she might wish this were otherwise, and while it might
well evolve so that she is more assertive in these areas, for the
time being, this is the way it is, and she needs you to demonstrate
how to take responsibility and take the initiative to assert both
your own desire and recognize hers. She may quickly learn from, 
and become encouraged and emboldened by, your example.

At it's essence, responsibility means "the ability to respond",
and I would submit that your girlfriend has made it clear that
she wishes you to do so in this situation. She seems to have 
given you clear verbal signals that you have, thus far, chosen
not to respond to.

One of the astonishing things that becomes much more clear in
relationships, especially subsequent to the beginning of more
intimate expressions of physical affection, is that there's 
much more that "i", or "I", or even two "I"s involved here.

You will begin to see that by improving you ability to respond
to the other person's clearly expressed desires, and later, to
the desires that are expressed with such subtlety that they may
not even be aware of them, that you have grown beyond "i" or "I"
and have become an "us", or eventually, an "Us" (marriage), and
"i" and "I" are no longer as important, for either of you, or
as powerful in influencing the experience and direction of "us".

Additionally, one of the things which becomes more clear from
the practice of acts of physical affection, which, hopefully,
eventually becomes the "art" of lovemaking, is that in the
course of the ongoing learning process, it is discovered and
clarified that how we and/or our partner are feeling in any
given moment can be dramatically changed by the degree of
responsibility and degree of attention and intention we
choose to bring to that moment, and every moment, of our
ongoing relationship. By coming to recognize our power to
influence our partner for the better, we also realize our
ability to influence our own moods and feelings for the 
better. Take two people who have learned this well, and 
imagine *that* magnifying back and forth between them, with
no limit except of their own choosing, and you can begin
to comprehend the incredible potential of shared love,
combined with the wisdom that arises from it.


In short, I would suggest setting aside your thoughts about
"messing things up", and allowing yourself to feel, by way
of your heart and some deep breaths, how this flower has
opened itself to you, showing its beauty and inviting you 
to move closer and partake of its fragrance. As long as
you're appreciative, you'll only be invited into a deeper
experience of her nature and your own, and that journey 
has no end.


Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that  
the answer cannot be improved upon by way of a dialog  
established through the "Request for Clarification" process. 
 
sublime1-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by runningman05-ga on 04 Jul 2005 19:29 PDT
sublime1,

So far I am impressed.  This "kick in the butt" was a good one.  One
last tidbit before I give you an excellent rating: Should I talk to
her about how I'm feeling?  Is that something she needs to know?  Or
should I just set that aside and quit worrying about "messing things
up"?  Thanks again for the excellent help!

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 04 Jul 2005 20:23 PDT
Hi runningman...

Notice, once again, how you ended your clarification with 
the answer you already know to be true.  ; )

At this point, I strongly suspect that she already knows what
you're thinking and feeling, and has already given you a clear
indication that no further words will be helpful (hence the
awkward silences).

I'm quite confident that she's dearly hoping that one day soon
you will simply, and wordlessly, lift her chin, gaze into her
eyes with a look that conveys how much you care for her, and how
well you understand how long she (and you) have been patiently 
waiting for this moment, and lean forward to give her a kiss 
that neither of you will ever forget.

No pressure though! LOL!

But, on a more serious note, it might help you to utilize a
desensitization exercise which is commonly used in cases of
phobias or just plain nerves.

Allow yourself to imagine that first kiss, and how you might
approach it, and how happily she might respond. Allow yourself
to experience how much you'd enjoy the prospect of expressing
your affection in this way, and summon up a sense of how much
affection you have for her, and how you might focus it into
this kiss. Notice any second thoughts you have, and address
them directly, telling them that you'll take the path of being
aware of her responses in that moment, rather than trying to
figure things out in advance. Notice any feelings of fear or
nervousness you have, and breathe into them until you're able
to proceed with an imagination of the kiss without them being
noticeable. Keep going with the vusualization until only good
feelings arise from it.

Lovemaking, like meditation, is *not* what you *think*!

If, when the moment comes, words come to mind that would seem
to add to the moment, rather than distract from or delay it,
then, by all means, express them. Just don't let out any words
which would stifle the feelings of affection you've nurtured
and turn the moment into yet another verbal conversation.

Keep in mind that your intention in that moment is to convey
your affection and appreciation in a way that you've never
done before with her, and hopefully, with a degree of sincere
feeling that she's never experienced before, and which words
will ever fail to convey to the same degree. Let those feelings
take precedence over thoughts and words. 

Realize that words are only symbols of symbols of the real thing.
When I say the word "tree", it brings to your mind a vague image
of some generic tree, which is a poor representation of any real
tree, and doesn't begin to provide anything like the actual 
experience of a specific real tree. So the word is the symbol of
an image, which is also just a symbol of the real thing. A group
of words, no matter how well-formed, are twice-removed from the
reality of physically-expressed affection, and can never take the
place of the real thing.

If a well-painted picture, which is but a symbol, is worth a 
thousand words, then a touch is worth a thousand pictures.

Having once prepared yourself for the moment, as noted above,
this is the time to follow the Nike dictum: Just do it!

Best regards...

sublime1-ga
runningman05-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
An excellent job by sublime1 - Just the medicine I needed.  Thank you
so much and keep up your excellent work/advice....Have a great week!
A+ Bud!!!!

Comments  
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: chadsly-ga on 04 Jul 2005 13:56 PDT
 
You really should be asking her and not us.  I've been married for 4
years after dating my wife 5 years.  If there is one thing I've
learned, the only way to resolve any problems in a relationship is to
address it with her.  This is not your relationship, it belongs to you
both.  You should both be working on it (if it's important).  We
usually pray about it together first.  That always makes a different. 
Good luck.
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 04 Jul 2005 14:26 PDT
 
In my experience, all relationships lose their spark. It is to be
hoped that, by the time the spark goes dim, you may have been able to
build a bed of coals.
 
Long-term loving partnerships are not generally based upon the thrills
and surprise (and fear of loss) that characterize infatuation. The
real deal is likely to resemble a slow-cooker rather than a flash
fire. But (and I say this on the day I celebrate my 25th wedding
anniversary) the warmth of well-tended embers can last a lifetime.
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: steph53-ga on 04 Jul 2005 15:11 PDT
 
Happy, happy, happy ANNIVERSARY, Pinkfreud :)

Wishing you many, many more!!!

Steph53
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: pugwashjw-ga on 04 Jul 2005 19:41 PDT
 
Welcome to what marriage feels like. The high romance goes all too
fast but is replaced with a nice warm comfy feeling. This is what
lasts. Dont let her go.
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: sublime1-ga on 04 Jul 2005 21:26 PDT
 
runningman...

Thanks very much for the rating and the tip!
Best wishes for an auspicious beginning to the next level 
of your relationship.

sublime1-ga
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: bluestblood-ga on 09 Jul 2005 12:14 PDT
 
I smypathize with your concerns so I thought I would add my two cents.
I am also doing my pre and soon to be post grad work in the areas of
human sexuality, psychology and relationship counseling so I figured I
might be useful =)

It's unfortunate, but the spark doesn't last forever. There are may
theories as to why this happens. Some are evolutionary, some are
biological and some are social. Many theorists put the mark at 4
years. In other words, after 4 years (at most) couples "settle in."
There are a number of ways to keep the relationship fresh, but it
ultimately comes down to the needs and interests of the couple. Some
people go on vacation, some people swing, some people spend time apart
doing things seperately. It all comes down to the both of you. An
excellent place to start is to open lines of communication. Talk to
eachother and don't be judgemental. Even something as seemingly
threatening as finding other people attractive can be perfectly normal
and worth talking about and exploring (albet many people have a
difficult time doing this).

You might want to check out some of these resources (here is an
eclectic list because I don't know what you might or might not
identify with):

Robert Sternberg - He is a psychologist and Yale professor who did
many studies on love. He is famous for his triangular model of love.

"The Ethical Slut" by Easton and Liszt - Has some very practical and
unconventional (but ethical) approaches to relationships.

"A New Look at Love" by (I forgot the authors, but they are a couple,
same last name) - Slightly dated but probably your best bet.

Best wishes and I hope this helps.

Sarah AKA BluestBlood
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: myoarin-ga on 10 Jul 2005 07:21 PDT
 
Hi Runningman,
Siblime and the commenters have all given good suggestions.  I got the
impression that you two have been spending a lot of time just
together, enjoying it, but at some point just two persons together run
out of things to say  - especially if they are both skirting around
the subject of more physical closeness.  But that itself is not just
the problem.  They maybe "do it"  - and maybe it isn't all that good,
especially with all the pent up expectations or apprehensions.  That
can make the situation even more difficult:  thoughts:  "So we did it.
 And now?  Maybe we shouldn't have yet," and so on.
You are probably not persons who would want to talk about it together 
- sex.  Too many don't.

Instead of only being together by yourselves, get out and do things
with other people, not just socializing: sports, music, hobbies;
anything to provide new input and learn how you respond together among
others  - and how you respond to each other among others.  It you
think that is a risk, it is, but life isn't a desert island  (and such
relationships are more often "Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf" rather
than "Blue Lagoon").
Maybe that will be a catalyst, maybe you will learn that you are just
really good friends and can leave it at that  - and then probably
respect yourselves and each more for having done so.

Good luck to you both, Myoarin
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: davidlaska-ga on 25 Aug 2005 08:01 PDT
 
There are no "moments of silence" when two people are together.  The
sound of another person breathing is always heard when no other sound
is present.  It seems trivial until you are alone for a period of
time.  Hollywood has a lot of examples where people stranded alone. 
They would made things to resemble a person or anything to remind them
of another human around.  The sound of another human breathing would
have been a great welcome, regardless of whether they could talk or
not.
So what simple rule one can use to maintain the relationship when
tired or spark-less?  The time when one does not want to use all the
tools and knowledge to make things work.  The time when you don,t want
to analyze whether breathing, conversing, or deep thought exchanges
define the state of your relationship.  The time you want to watch TV,
not build rockets.
You can always relate to your partner with "Respect" (similar to the
way you would treat a stranger during a brief interaction).  Respect
will work with people no matter how different they might seem. 
Respect is the best "default behavior" if you are tired and
unmotivated.  When you get the spark back in time, that is icing on
the the cake.
Subject: Re: Questioning my relationship - did it loose it's spark?
From: pintado-ga on 23 Oct 2005 06:44 PDT
 
kiss her, stupid guy! its probably boring and dull and spark-less
because nothing has happened and we humans cannot maintain a constant
state of excitement without going a little mental, therefore my theory
is it dulls a little so we can cope. if you guys start going out,
finally, i;m sure a bit of it would come back -- there;s so many
firsts to look forward to! first kiss, first real date, first
explorative touching, first sex, first key to each others house, first
big fight.... so many firsts! and when all the firsts are exhausted,
you might yourselves happily content in a special and loving
relationship. it could happen, or you could nothing and never get
anything.

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