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on demand hot water heaters
Category: Family and Home > Home Asked by: bigc128-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
05 Jul 2005 12:03 PDT
Expires: 14 Jul 2005 20:32 PDT Question ID: 540185 |
Do on demand hot water heaters supply you with enough hot water to run your faucets for an hour at 120 degrees fahrenheit, without loosing degrees in temperature, if you have 48 degree fahrenheit ground water? |
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Re: on demand hot water heaters
From: owain-ga on 05 Jul 2005 13:06 PDT |
Do you mean gas or electric heaters? The output of instantaneous electric heaters is very limited. |
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Re: on demand hot water heaters
From: waukon-ga on 05 Jul 2005 14:55 PDT |
This almost sound like a homework question. As Owain indicates, instantaneous water heaters (gas or electric) have their limitations. In general, they are cheaper up front to buy and install, but over a relatively short term you lose on additional energy costs, and capacity is limited. These systems make sense for only for situations were the demand hot water is low or relatively infrequent. A superinsulated tank system is the most efficient. |
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Re: on demand hot water heaters
From: myoarin-ga on 06 Jul 2005 04:16 PDT |
Yes indeed. Here is a site that has two electric "on-demand" water heaters: http://www.stiebel-eltron-usa.com/HTML/product_home.html Click on the the top middle and right photos for more details, and technical details on following pages. Both heat to 125°F, continuous use, require 220 volt current. Stiebel Eltron is an excellent German maker of these heaters, perhaps the originator of the idea. I have had one for many years. It is absolutely reliable. One possible problem is deposits building up if you have hard water, but that will be the case with any water heater of this type. Good luck, Myoarin |
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Re: on demand hot water heaters
From: clint34-ga on 06 Jul 2005 06:35 PDT |
Waukon, you are wrong. They are more expensive up front, by as much as two times. Tanks are not more efficient. Gas heated non tank water heaters are more efficient, as they use energy when you run hot water. My Gas Bill is half, of my Brother's across the street ceteris parabus... I have a Rinaii Contiuum hot water heater, and it will provide limitless hot water like 300GPH. |
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Re: on demand hot water heaters
From: owain-ga on 06 Jul 2005 11:32 PDT |
Neither storage nor instantaneous heaters are intrinsically more efficient. It takes the same amount of energy to heat an quantity of water by a given increase in temperature regardless of the time taken. Storage heaters will have, even if well insulated, storage losses, however these are *very* minor and are insignificant unless the water use is very intermittent (eg less than within 24 hours). Instantaneous heaters have no storage losses but can be inefficient if small amounts of water are drawn off frequently, as the heater fires every time the tap is opened. Instantaneous heaters will heat water for an indefinate period of time, but the factors are: 1. The flow rate of the incoming water mains 2. The temperature of the incoming water 3. The temperature of the outgoing water desired 4. The kW rating of the heater What *flow* will be achieved will depend on all three factors. Whether it is sufficient depends on your needs. You usually have no control over 1 or 2 and little control over the maximum value of 4. In the UK, gas instantaneous heaters (or combi boilers) are usually adequate for a good shower, but fill a bath slowly. Electric heaters here for domestic use are limited to about 10kW, which gives a weedy shower (especially in winter) and is useless for filling a bath. Owain |
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Re: on demand hot water heaters
From: myoarin-ga on 10 Jul 2005 15:59 PDT |
That is all true, but "my" Stiebel Eltron does an adequate job, and the practical factor is that one can install an on-demand unit uneer the sink or wherever with a minimum of plumbing work, maybe for an addition bathroom, in a situation where it would be quite difficult to install a big water heater and run hotwater lines. |
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Re: on demand hot water heaters
From: troublestylist-ga on 11 Jul 2005 09:10 PDT |
By definition, on-demand heaters can heat continuously without losing temperature. They are rated at degree rise per flow rate, with lower temp rise for higher flow rates. Example. 75 degree rise at 3.1 gph, 65 degree rise at 4.2 gph, 40 degree rise at 7.0 gph. So, for one faucet, I suspect you can find a unit that is capable. Bosch 250sk and the Takagi K-2 are the two highest capacity consumer models. Greg |
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Re: on demand hot water heaters
From: waukon-ga on 11 Jul 2005 23:15 PDT |
I think my point has been proven. You can of course buy a big on-demand unit that lets you fill the 100 gallon spa-tub without reducing the rest of the household to a cold-water regime. But we are speaking of normal hot-water usage, which peaks during morning-shower time, and briefly again at wash-dinner-dishes time in most households. We Americans also have absolute hot-water-hog washing machines (and we Americans nearly universally also have separate dryers, vented to the outside). If you watch <i>This Old House</i> on US TV, you understand where I am coming from. This TV show spends an absurd amount of money on its renovations, but their disparagement of instantaneous hot-water systems is correct, at least insofar as the US goes. |
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