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Subject:
Heraldry - desperately seeking a banner: cat sable en guardant with a feather
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: marklesparkle-ga List Price: $45.00 |
Posted:
07 Jul 2005 14:10 PDT
Expires: 06 Aug 2005 14:10 PDT Question ID: 541028 |
I'm going to include as much information as I possibly can because I asked this question before and got no sort of response. Anywhere I've mentioned Sir Robert Ford - that is WRONG - his banner is similar to the one I'm looking for (in that it has the cat/crown/quill combo) but is not the image I'm after. Good luck! I'll really appreciate any help you can offer. _________________________________ OK, so a while ago (maybe a year ago) there was a travel show on TV and they went around the college of arms or some place in England. There were banners hanging on the ceiling. I think they were for the Order of the Garter. There was one that had a picture on it that I've been looking for ever since - it is a black cat, wearing a crown around his neck, one paw held aloft with a feather pen in it. I've looked around online as much as I can and can't find anything anywhere. I went as far as getting in touch with some people at the College of Arms while I was over there at Christmas, hoping to go by and see it. I guess the banners are part of some traveling exhibition though and they aren't there anymore. Also, I think the banner was in some way associated with the Duke of Somerset or something something Somerset... God speed young sleuths! _______________________________ Similar in style to the cat in this picture but black, seated and holding a quill: http://www.civicheraldry.co.uk/ellesmereport_neston.JPG ________________________________ Here is a crude drawing I did of it a while ago from memory: http://marcneedham.com/images/YH/kitty.gif ________________________________ This might be a decent place to start looking: http://www.civicheraldry.co.uk/ Help me! |
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Subject:
Re: Heraldry - desperately seeking a banner: cat sable en guardant with a feather
From: owain-ga on 07 Jul 2005 16:07 PDT |
As the College of Arms may have explained to you, the actual "emblazonment" of the arms is somewhat in the discretion of the artist, as it is the description of the arms that is recorded, not the image. Owain |
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Re: Heraldry - desperately seeking a banner: cat sable en guardant with a feathe
From: myoarin-ga on 07 Jul 2005 18:23 PDT |
Hi, If they were the flags of the members of the Order of the Garter and hanging near the ceiling, it sounds like the St. George's Chapel at Windsor. Here is a pic: http://mrffriends.tripod.com/garter/chapel.jpg (well, flags not so near) That could give a short list. This site has better pics of the of the flags, but probably can only confirm or disprove this proposal, but it also gives the names of the members in 2000: http://www.heraldicsculptor.com/Garters.html Let us know if this is the right track. Myoarin |
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Re: Heraldry - desperately seeking a banner: cat sable en guardant with a feathe
From: marklesparkle-ga on 08 Jul 2005 06:51 PDT |
myoarin - that seems like it *might* be right. Looking through the member list I didn't see anything about Somerset though... I'm pretty sure this banner was something to do with Somerset. Could there have been a traveling display of older versions of the banners? |
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Re: Heraldry - desperately seeking a banner: cat sable en guardant with a feathe
From: myoarin-ga on 09 Jul 2005 07:17 PDT |
Hmmm? Somerset, no cat in their arms: http://hereditarytitles.com/Page52.html Here is a list of the Knights of the Garter for you to play with: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-Knights-and-Ladies-of-the-Garter A coat of arms with a quill instead of a more usual item would suggest to me a modern, new arms for someone knighted for his or her literary work (not Churchill, he had his own, already). Good luck. I have to run, Myoarin |
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