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Subject: UK Workpermit
Category: Relationships and Society > Law
Asked by: sdafadsf-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 09 Jul 2005 14:05 PDT
Expires: 08 Aug 2005 14:05 PDT
Question ID: 541609
Hi,

My friend has a job offer in the UK but he is not a degree holder,
however the body shopper has told him that even if he uses a forged
degree certificate the should be allright since the employer in the UK
(who is not aware of this face) is not going to verify them anyways. I
am not too sure about this as the uk home office may verify his
credentials or the local consulate can do this. Is there any
information on the internet the explicity says the the uk home office
or the local consulate verifies academic qualifications no matter what
so that I can show this to him and try to put some good sense into his
head? can you please advice us?
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Subject: Re: UK Workpermit
Answered By: hummer-ga on 09 Jul 2005 16:51 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi sdafadsf,

I can understand why you are worried and your intuition is correct -
your friend needs a reality check!

Following is a link to the application for your friend's work permit
which the employer will fill out and send to the UK Home Office. I've
noted the sections which your friend will be particularly interested
in.

FORM WP1
Training and work experience
WP1 - twes application form.doc (802 Kb)
SECTION 8: Qualification and Experience
#41 Please give details of the person's higher education, vocational
or professional qualifications and membership.
#44 Please describe how you verified the person's qualifications and skills.
#55 Details of Post
b) What qualifications and/or skills are required for this post?
For Tier 2 Application
[Include] A copy of the person's academic or professional
qualifications, if applicable.
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/documents/all_forms.Maincontent.0069.file.tmp/WP1%20040405.doc

training and work experience notes (733 Kb)
[Look at this link too. We're in the middle of a terrific thunderstorm
and the lights are flickering, so I want to get this posted before the
electricity goes off. You may find some more useful information here.]
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/documents/all_forms.Maincontent.0074.file.tmp/TWES%20Notes.doc

For more information:

Click: "I want to work in the UK"
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/content/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage.html#

Schemes and Programmes 
"This section provides details of most of the schemes available to
people wishing to come to the UK to work. You can access details
through the links on the left-hand side of the page."
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage/schemes_and_programmes.html

Forms and Guidance
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/documents/all_forms.html

Good luck! If you have any questions, please post a clarification
request *before* closing/rating my answer and I'll be happy to reply.

Thank you,
hummer

Search Strategy:

I searched the Home Office website for information on work permits.

Request for Answer Clarification by sdafadsf-ga on 10 Jul 2005 03:55 PDT
Hi,

Thanks for this information, but these forms only ask the employer how
they have verified the documentation of the candidate and i am not
sure what kind of a work permit he is applying for...from your reply i
can identify three already
normal work permit, something called as TWES and a multiple entry WP
so are we saying that the documentation *may* be verified or *will* be
verified by the home department?
(PS. our man has a girl back in the UK and that is what is making him
move heaven and earth to get his ass there !)

Clarification of Answer by hummer-ga on 10 Jul 2005 06:54 PDT
Hi sdafadsf,

FORM WP1 means -

1) It is the employer's responsibility to verify the applicant's
qualifications and skills.

2) The employer is required to confirm to the Home Office that he did
verify the qualifications and skills of the applicant.

3) The employer is required to explain how he made the verification.

4) The employer is required to send a copy of any academic or
professional qualifications, if applicable (presumeably in your
friend's case, it is applicable).

It is then up to "Work Permits (UK)" to verify the application of the
employer. I'm glad you posted a clarification request because I found
another good link for you (again, click on the link for full details)
-

TWES (Training and Work Experience Scheme) Permit [under Business and Commercial]:

Verifying Applications
"The application form will ask you to indicate which British post
overseas the person is likely to request entry clearance from. Work
Permits (UK) may contact the relevant overseas post in order to verify
references or the experience of the person subject to the work
experience application. Where there is a doubt on the level of
experience that can be gained from the previous employer providing the
reference, Work Permits (UK) may request further evidence of the
person?s experience."
"The application form will query how the employer verified the skills
of the overseas person in order to confirm that the overseas person
has the skills not available from resident workers."
What happens during a check?
"The Work Permits (UK) Compliance and Validation Team carry out
checks. If we plan to visit usually, though not always, we will
contact the employer to arrange a visit at a mutually convenient time.
The Compliance and Validation Team will then gather material to
support the information provided on the application form. We may also
wish to speak to work permit holders, colleagues and managers involved
in the work permit employment."
"If we have already issued a work permit, we may make a check by
telephone or letter and will ask for material to support the
information provided on your application. This is to verify that the
information provided on the application form was a full and accurate
description of the conditions of employment being undertaken, and that
the skills, experience, pay and duties of the overseas national are as
described on the application form."
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage/work_permits/applying_for_a_work/business_and_commercial/new1.html

A Multiple Entry WP is used for categories such as sports and
entertainment when needed. Here is the relevant link concerning
verification -

Verifying Applications
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage/work_permits/applying_for_a_work/sports_and_ents/9.html?

Countries do not take issuing work permits to nonresidents lightly
because they would much rather employ local citizens, therefore, your
friend can be sure that his credentials will be verified.

Please let me know if you have any other questions,
hummer

Request for Answer Clarification by sdafadsf-ga on 10 Jul 2005 11:52 PDT
thanks hummer, i have sent all this stuff to my mate and now it is
upto him..from the way i see things, it is a gamble and that is his
decision ..how do i pay you $20?

Clarification of Answer by hummer-ga on 10 Jul 2005 13:15 PDT
You are welcome, sdafadsf. Perhaps it *is* a gamble, but I don't think
the odds are very good.
Thank you for the generous tip but I can't help but worry if you
thought you were just paying your regular price without realizing that
you were adding an extra $20.00.
At any rate, you are a good friend and I hope your buddy heeds your
advice. If you think of me, I'd love to hear of the outcome.

Sincerely,
hummer

Request for Answer Clarification by sdafadsf-ga on 12 Jul 2005 02:59 PDT
thanks will do, what is your email address?

Clarification of Answer by hummer-ga on 12 Jul 2005 07:13 PDT
Sorry, GA doesn't permit the exchange of contact info. The only option
is to post an update here.  hummer
sdafadsf-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $20.00
thanks for this 

well figured out the payment myself

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