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Subject: Providing Qualified, Patient Care for an Elderly Victim of Hemorrhagic Stroke.
Category: Health > Medicine
Asked by: dwhite-ga
List Price: $30.00
Posted: 09 Jul 2005 20:46 PDT
Expires: 08 Aug 2005 20:46 PDT
Question ID: 541729
Greetings, 
	 I am writing to ask for advice about a relative's recent, serious
medical condition.  Three months ago a male, African-American relative
of mine, who is 79 years old and lives in Cleveland, Ohio, suffered a
hemorrhagic stroke upon falling to the ground. He received emergency
medical care and underwent a tracheotomy. He also had to have a
feeding tube inserted to receive food.  After nearly two weeks, the
doctors recommended that he be transferred to a nursing home.  Since
then, unfortunately, he has had to leave three different nursing homes
in an ambulance to receive emergency care at the nearest hospital. The
reason he had to leave the nursing homes was either because he began
vomiting up the amount of food he
was receiving from the tube and he started aspirating (receiving the
food in his lungs), or he developed a fever due
to infections (e.g. urinary tract infection related to his catheter).
My relative is also a diabetic, has a stomach stress ulcer that has
resurfaced after many years and has had some problems with
constipation.
	The problem he has had with the nursing homes is that they do not
seem to be able to appropriately gauge the right amount of tube feed
to give him. They are zealous about increasing the volume of
his tube feed because they say that he needs more nourishment.
Consequently, because he is diabetic, has had a stroke, has a stress
ulcer and has had problems with constipation, the tube feed backs up
in his system and he has frequently thrown up a mixture of tube feed
and old blood.  Some of this mixture has entered his lungs, where he
has developed infections (mild pneumonia).
	 He is currently not able to speak because of his stroke. The
hospitals have always been able to  stabilize him temporarily, but
after a short period of time, the hospitals always want him to leave
to go back to a nursing home as soon as they get him to some level of
stability. Thus, my relative has been bouncing back and forth between
hospitals and nursing homes, some with skilled nursing care, always
facing  new doctors, nurses, social workers, discharge planners, etc.
His health insurance has been difficult and will not
cover acute care for my relative at facilities near his and his 
wife's home. They will only pay for my relative to go to a certain
nursing home that is very far from his wife. Consequently, she wants
to bring him home and manage caring for him there, a monumental task
because he needs 24-hour skilled care. His Medicare coverage is
running out.  His wife is prepared to call in hospice care but she is
doing everything she knows to do right now to give him a fighting
chance at recovery before then. Also, my relative is a veteran of the
Second World War (played in the navy band) but his wife says that
being a veteran in his case only entitles him  to a $1600 stipend. I
find this hard to believe and feel that I need to look into his
veteran benefits more closely.
The many doctors that my relative has seen in the last few months have
not said much more than he "has multiple issues" and that "he will
never get much better," or "this is how it will always be for him."
Recently, the doctors have come out and said that my relative's
condition is "terminal." His primary doctor is not aggressively
involved in his fight for life.  His wife has been a fighter and has
visited him daily (sometimes three times a day!) at each hospital and
nursing home he has visited. She has not always been treated so kindly
and she feels that, based on her experience, she must constantly be
vigilant with the doctors, who are always short on time, and the
nurses, some of whom have been very neglectful of my relative's
medical needs, or he will die because of neglect or oversight, and she
has been proven right.
	Do you have any advice on what is the best long-term care 
plan for my relative, who is diabetic, has high blood pressure, has had a
hemorrhagic stroke, subsequent tracheotomy and feeding tube
inserted?  It seems that he needs to go to a facility qualified to
care for his acute medical condition long-term, not for just a few
rushed days, as in the hospital. He needs a facility that is willing
to patiently and gradually increase the volume of his tube feed and
closely monitor him.
The very nature of the medical system of acute care seems to render it
ineffective in giving my relative the long-term care he needs
and deserves.  I realize that I am talking in generalities, but,
frankly,  the hospitals appear to be  too worried about time, bed
space and insurance money and the doctors too stressed and distant to
give my relative the patient, carefully-thought-out, long-term skilled
care he needs. The doctors are right, he has a combination of issues
he is dealing with and he does not fit into the traditional,
?progress-by-this -date? approach to stroke recovery. The nursing
homes seem to be ill equipped to care for my relative since most of
his problems center around his tube feed. He does need nourishment,
but because of his multiple issues (diabetes, stomach ulcer,
constipation), he needs flexible, skilled, and vigilant care, not the
?well the doctor said he needs nourishment so we have to  increase his
tube feed to this volume? type of care.
Nobody seems to want to listen to his wife, who has been constantly
watching out for his health. She has been constantly questioning the
doctors and pleading with nurses to sit him up, make sure that they do
not give him shots that he has already received or take blood when it
was already been taken, wash bedsores, and attempt to give him some
physical therapy. I am convinced that, had it not been for his wife?s
heroic efforts, my relative would be in a much worse condition than he
is in today, possibly deceased.
	I am aware that my relative's situation is very serious. However,  I
have a few other questions. First of all, are there any qualified,
alternative, acute stroke skilled care facilities in the medical
community that can offer my relative vigilant,  medical care
tantamount to that which he has successfully received at hospitals and
are also willing to treat him for as long as he needs, or at least 4-5
months, either at their facility or at his home, in hopes of some
eventual recovery from his stroke? Is there some way of defraying the
astronomical cost of medical care that will face my relative?s wife? 
Also, are there any advocacy groups willing to get their hands dirty,
get in there and help my relative's wife fight for her husband?s life?
Are the only financially affordable options for my relatives to  have
him stay at a nursing home far from his wife and inevitably be sent to
the nearest hospital again or have him go home and have his wife
scramble to hire  qualified workers and friends to help  care for him,
while most of the burden really falls on her as she learns acute care
?on the job?? I think that my relative and his wife deserve better
treatment than this.  If he is "terminal" because his organs are
giving  out from old age, that I can understand.  But if my relative
is "terminal" because the medical system is inadequate, has gaps and
ill-equipped to care for his long-term medical needs, or too apathetic
to give him the long term care he needs, I would like to help by
continuing to search for alternative stroke care, not only to help
him, but ultimately, to improve the medical system for future stroke
victims.
	If you have any advice or references that will ultimately help my
relative, your advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: Providing Qualified, Patient Care for an Elderly Victim of Hemorrhagic Stroke.
From: dragon_2-ga on 09 Jul 2005 22:57 PDT
 
Wow.

It is unfortunate, but your awfully sad story is repeated thousands of
time every day in this country. Repeated not because people have
strokes every day, but because the American medical system is designed
to deliver the best care for people who have non-complicated and
predictable problems with predictable outcomes.

In the case that you described, there are many issues that are working
against you. 1) It appears that the severity of the stroke has caused
him to be dependent on a feeding tube. 2) It appears that the
physicians have determined that there is minimal likelihood of
progress. 3) In general, the medical system does not interact well
with family of patients who ask questions. 4) The nursing shortage has
caused many nursing homes to use LPNs or CNAs who are generally not
trained with the same skill sets as an RN. 5) In general, the
insurance system decides where care is delivered based on financial
performance, not quality of care.

Given all of this, what can you do? If there is a healthcare
professional in the family that is also a clinician (by this, I mean a
nurse, physician, physical therapist / occupational therapist / speech
language pathologist, or similar professional), I would get them
involved in advocating for the patient. I say this for several
reasons: 1) Healthcare has its own language. In general, busy
healthcare professionals do not respond well to non-clinicans using
clinical words incorrectly. Generally, there is minimal effort on the
part of the healthcare provider to overcome this language barrier. 2)
Healthcare workers generally know that they cannot "pull a fast one"
on a patient that has an advocate that works in the healthcare system.

In the absence of such a relative, I would seek out a caring nurse or
physician to ask the following questions: 1) Why was it that this
patient was determined to not quality for a rehabilitation hospital?
2) What will have to happen in order for this patient to quality for
an intensive rehabilitation program? 3) What criteras have to be met
to wean this person off the feeding tube?

I would bet the answer is because someone determined that this patient
was not able to tolerate the therapies. I would also bet that whoever
made this determination did not communicate well with this patient's
family.

The thing about strokes is that after the first few weeks, minimal
progress is made by just resting there. Physical therapy, occupational
therapy, and speech therapy has to be actively involved. If the person
is on a feeding tube, it means that basic life sustaining fuctions are
not functioning well. Unless this and cognitive function returns,
there is minimal benefit from the therapies.

Therefore, usually at the time of discharge from the hospital a
decision is made. If there is minimal recovery happening, the patient
is directed towards a nursing home where they will receive nursing
care and at most 60 minutes of physical therapy 5x/wk. Most nursing
homes are focused on maintaining function and not improving it (there
are a few exceptions). However, if there has been significant
recovery, the patient is (hopefully) kept in the hospital until they
are ready for a rehabilitation facility where they will be seen by
physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy, and
recreational therapy for around 3hrs per day. The patient will usually
be followed by a physician that specializes in physical medicine and
rehabilitation.

Something that you said bothers me. You mentioned bed sores. Bed sores
are usually a sign of poor nursing care. Even in a nursing home, bed
sores should not happen. I would look for an explanation as to why
this occured. I would also make sure that whereever he ends up, the
nurses are aware of this and to take percautions so that no new ones
develop.

I've said alot of things here that many healthcare workers would find
offensive. Note that I qualified most contriversial comments with "In
general" or "Generally". These are my opinions only and do not
represent any scientific findings or official recommendations endorsed
by any credible organizations.

I hope this helps and I wish there was a better answer for some of your questions.

Ed.
Subject: Re: Providing Qualified, Patient Care for an Elderly Victim of Hemorrhagic Strok
From: crabcakes-ga on 09 Jul 2005 23:21 PDT
 
Hello Dwhite,

  I am so sorry for your relative and his wife. I've worked in the
health care profession for 25 years and I must agree with the
empathetic comments by Dragon_2 below. Finding good care for our
elderly is very difficult, finding good affordable care is even
harder.

  The only advice I can offer is to contact the Veteran's
Administration Hospitals about long term care.If your relative is a
vet, he is entitled to benefits. If you contact the DAV first, they
will give you top notch advice on how to manuever the VA system, as
well as possibly doing the paperwork for you, for free. His medical
expenses may be covered by Tri-Care military medical insurance as
well. The DAV will be able to tell you is he is covered by Tri-Care.

 The VA webiste can be found here:
http://www1.va.gov/health_benefits/

I recommend starting with the DAV in your area:
http://www.dav.org/

You can email the DAV here, or call one of the offices for a  location near you.
http://www.dav.org/help/contact_dav.html

I wish your family well.

Sincerely, Crabcakes

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