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philosopher socrates "what you imagine in your mind not as perfect on picture"?
Category: Reference, Education and News > Education Asked by: tee976-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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13 Aug 2002 22:48 PDT
Expires: 12 Sep 2002 22:48 PDT Question ID: 54369 |
What psychological and sociological presuppositions are there behind Socrates simile, "the soul is like the city"? How successful is that simile in you view? |
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Re: philosopher socrates "what you imagine in your mind not as perfect on pictur
Answered By: samrolken-ga on 13 Aug 2002 23:14 PDT |
Tee976, First, I'd like to point out that it wasn't Socrates who said this, but from what I can find, it was Plato. It was the underlying simile in his book "The Republic". In this book, Plato discusses living justly. He first describes a Just City, and its three parts. He then portrays those parts onto the human soul. The sociological presuppositions made by Plato are obviously based upon the structure of society in Plato's time. In the city he describes, the most educated people are the ones in charge of things. That isn't necessarily true today. (Not that I'm making any sort of political statement. ;) Society is much different today than it was then. The psychological presuppositions Plato made in his book involves peoples' rational side ruling over the rest of their soul, must as the wise men ruled the city Plato describes. Each part of the soul does its job, and that the just soul is happier than the unjust because the just soul isn't as chaotic. You can find more information here: Sparknotes: The Republic [http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/republic/summary.html] Growing Souls by Jim Eller, Rev. A Sermon from All Souls Unitarian Universalist Church of Kansas City [http://www.allsoulskc.org/sermons/010520.html] Or, you could read "The Republic". To answer the final part of your question, "How successful is that simile in you view?", I'd like to say that it isn't successful today. Today, since our "cities" are governed differently and society isn't the same, Plato's linking of society and the mind isn't nearly as accurate. Besides, it's confusing. But that's "my view". -- Sam Kennedy Search Strategy: Google Search for: "city soul plato" Google Search for: "plato republic" |
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Re: philosopher socrates "what you imagine in your mind not as perfect on picture"?
From: secret901-ga on 13 Aug 2002 23:41 PDT |
Samrolken: Socrates never wrote anything. Most of the sayings attributed to him come from Plato's book. In Plato's Republic, it was Socrates who claimed that the soul is like a city. |
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Re: philosopher socrates "what you imagine in your mind not as perfect on picture"?
From: klmsjca-ga on 15 Aug 2002 11:52 PDT |
I am sorry to say that this answer is a perfect exmple of somebody trying to say something about something they know nothing about. But, I guess, you ask a two dollar question . . . For anyone who's interested, let me try to briefly clear up a couple of misconceptions that have shown themselves here. Platos's Republic is a book in the format of a dialogue between Socrates and several other characters. In the republic socrates and his fellows are discussing the idea of justice. What is justice? What sorts of things does it pertain to, etc. etc. What is a just soul, how can we know if a particular soul is just or not? well, it seems that when we say that a soul is just, as when we say that anything is arranged justly, we mean that all of the various parts are in their proper places within the whole and serving their proper function. We know that there is a constant struggle in humans between our passions or desires, and our reason. WE might "know" that a ertain thing is bad for us, but we are sometimes unable or unwilling to resist the driving force of our passions. In the anaglogy of the city, (which, by the way, was certainly not a description of the government of Athens during Plato's time!!!), the reason in humans corresponds to the philosopher king in the city, and the passions of humans corresponds to the masses, or the many, in the city. Just as we humans are always struggling to make our passions conform to our reason, in order for us to live well and justly, and so that we will be truly happy, there is a constant struggle in the city beteen the philosopher king, who always knows the right way for his subjects to live, and those subjects themselves, who think that they know but are really very mistaken, and who might not eaisly submit themselves to someone elses role. For that reason gaurdians are the third part of the city. The gausrdians are like the will of human. Niehter passions themselves nor pure reason alone can move a person to do anything, he must first will himself to do it, right? Well in the ity the gaurdians carry the power of action. They are like an army. When they side with the philosopher king, his plans are enforced. When they might ever go astray and side with the many, the king loses his power in a sort of mutiny. This was just a brif explanation of the analogy between the city and the human soul . . . . YOU MUST READ THE REPUBLIC if you wish to get anything out of the analogy at all. To say that this analogy does not apply to the world today COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG. I will not say any more now. I don't even know if anybody is reading this. If you want more info, post another coment asking me. I will heck in a couple of days. But i am certainly no substitue for reading the book. One more thing- you should DEFINITELY get a refund on that half-baked, careless, and irresponsible answer. People should stick to talking about things that they know about. |
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