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Subject: The Case of the unanswered question (Second try!!!!!)
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: dprk007-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 16 Jul 2005 12:35 PDT
Expires: 15 Aug 2005 12:35 PDT
Question ID: 544282
Dear all
Some time back I asked a question on this forum which still remains
unanswered (Question no. 538611).
I fear with the passage of time the memory of the question will recede
in the minds of the general public and even faster in the  minds of
the Gruugle Researcher Community.
The gist of the question lies in the fact that the date filter on the
YAHOO search engine appears to rarely work and the date filter on the
Gruugle search engine appears to NEVER work.

As you see from my original post, despite much commenting and clarifying
no researcher answered my question. I also raised the price on my
question twice.

Perhaps the question is VERY HARD or is is unanswerable. If this is so
some rationale or an explanation from a researcher would be much
appreciated.

Very kind  regards
DPRK007
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Subject: Re: The Case of the unanswered question (Second try!!!!!)
From: efn-ga on 16 Jul 2005 15:22 PDT
 
It might help to clarify your question.  You asked "Am I doing
something stupid?", but you didn't describe what you were doing, just
the results.  Later you thought you were asking why it seemed that
date filtering didn't work in Google, which is a somewhat different
question.

If you would like to ask, "Does it seem to you too that date filtering
is broken in Google and Yahoo?", somebody can try it and report.  If
you mean to ask "Is my searching technique defective?", no one can
answer without knowing what your searching technique is.  If you mean
to assert that date filtering doesn't work and ask why not, probably
no one here can answer that.

It might also help to clarify how you expect date filtering to work. 
Maybe your idea of it is not the same as the search engines'
designers'.
Subject: Re: The Case of the unanswered question (Second try!!!!!)
From: dprk007-ga on 17 Jul 2005 10:14 PDT
 
efn-ga

I am absolutely astonished by your comment "It might help to clarify your question"

My original querstion was one of the clearest questions every
submitted to this forum!!!.

The researcher Justaskscott-ga asked for examples. I gave him examples.
He came back and said he couldnt help me.

Can you not try the examples yourself (IT REALLY IS VERY EASY to verify)

Regarding your comment "It might also help to clarify how you expect
date filtering to work."

Well my idea of how date filtering works is it WORKS exactly as it
should work as it does in ASK JEEVES. IF a web site is clearly older
than three months then
it should not SHOW.  ASK JEEVES works GOOGLE does not. 

Again to repeat this is ASK JEEVES works.
Again to repeat this is ASK JEEVES works.
Again to repeat this is ASK JEEVES works.

The GOOGLE Search engine DOES NOT do this. 
The GOOGLE Search engine DOES NOT do this.
The GOOGLE Search engine DOES NOT do this.

Can I really make myself any clearer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards

DPRK007.
Subject: Re: The Case of the unanswered question (Second try!!!!!)
From: justaskscott-ga on 17 Jul 2005 11:20 PDT
 
Personally, I think that the question is clear, especially after
trying the examples that dprk007 mentions in Google's Advanced Search
(://www.google.com/advanced_search) and advanced search pages for
other search engines.  I just don't have a good answer to it.

It's a good question -- I hope that someone will find the answer.
Subject: Re: The Case of the unanswered question (Second try!!!!!)
From: pianoboy77-ga on 18 Jul 2005 13:19 PDT
 
I don't know your *exact* question, since it appears your original
post from a while ago doesn't exist anymore, and so I wasn't able to
read it and see your examples. However, I think I get the gist of your
question.

It appears the reason why Google's date filtering "doesn't work" is
due to the lack of qualification on the word "date". i.e. In the
phrase, "Search by Date", "date" could mean:
a) the page creation date
b) the date when the author last updated the page
c) the date the page was first indexed by Google
d) the date when Google last re-indexed the page

Most users, including me, assume (a) and (b) when searching "by date".
It appears though that Google ignores (a) and instead starts with (c)
and then uses (b), as mentioned on these pages:

 http://www.smallbusinessbrief.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-524.html
 (2/3 of the way down the page)

 http://www.researchbuzz.org/goofresh.shtml  (see the note)

So a year-old page would show up in a "3-month old" search if the page
was only indexed for the first time within the last 3 months. It
appears there may also be other actual glitches in Google's date
search, as described here:
* http://weblogs.asp.net/emaino/archive/2004/12/14/284375.aspx

Hope that helps answer your question! If not, please post your
original question and especially the examples so new researchers can
see what the exact problem is that you're seeing.
Subject: Re: The Case of the unanswered question (Second try!!!!!)
From: dprk007-ga on 18 Jul 2005 15:45 PDT
 
justaskscott
Your comment is very much appreciated. Your colleague czh-ga and pianoboy77
have now provided me with some very relevent information/search sites
which I believe will finally answer my question. As some of the
information is a little technical it will take me some time to absorb
it. You may have noticed that I have reposted the question twice. The
first reposted question was locked over the weekend as it contained
the word "GOOGLE" It has now been unlocked.

Pianoboy77
Thank you very much for your very relevent comment. The reason why you cannot 
locate the original post is simply because the Google Editors decided
to remove it!! (Your comment actually alerted me to this fact as the
original post was still here this morning). I really did not believe
they would do this.

Google Editors sent me the following e-mail to justify their actions: 

>Hello dprk007-ga,

>Thank you for your question ID 538611, titled "Search Machines.."
We've >removed your question because you can find the answer on our
main site, free >of charge. All publicly available information about
Google is available at: >://www.google.com/about.html.

>For additional questions about Google, please visit: 
>://www.google.com/support

>Thank you for your interest in Google Answers. Please visit us again.

>Sincerely,

>The Google Answers Team

I did go through their standard answer and question and how to information
and can find no information that has any relevance to my question.
Regarding the original post I regret now now having kept my own copy.
It is possible that another commenter (waukon-ga) may cut and pasted my post.

Very best regards

DPRK007

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