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Black songbird
Category: Science > Biology Asked by: archae0pteryx-ga List Price: $5.09 |
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22 Jul 2005 21:46 PDT
Expires: 26 Jul 2005 23:57 PDT Question ID: 546834 |
I need the name of a bird. I am looking for a songbird that (a) is black or mostly black in color, (b) has a beautiful song, and (c) would be found outside of (not in) Spain but not too far outside--e.g., North Africa, eastern Europe, or somewhere else that would cause it to be regarded as exotic to Spain but still found near enough that it could be captured and brought to Spain. I hope this is not another impossible question. I am really not trying to play stump-the-researchers. But naturally if I can find the answers readily myself, I don't post a paying question. Thank you, Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: czh-ga on 22 Jul 2005 22:16 PDT |
Hello archae0pteryx-ga, It looks like this will be a tough one. This article gives a good introduction. Good luck. ~ czh ~ http://www.iberianwildlife.com/spain/birds-spain-north-south.htm Birds in Spain 525 bird species on the A, B & C lists (give or take one or two for taxonomic changes!) have been recorded with certainty up to the end of 2003 in Spain (based on the latest data available; R. Gutiérrez in litt.), plus a further 30 species of uncertain origin (e.g. old records of Lappet-faced Vulture & White's Thrush) are also listed. While this is one of the highest totals for any country in the Western Palearctic, it is notably less e.g. than the U.K., but the number of regularly occurring migrant, breeding and wintering species is proportionately far higher, at ± 67.9%. So what makes the birds of Spain so special? |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 22 Jul 2005 22:54 PDT |
Sorry, czh. Thanks for your comment, but I don't want a bird in Spain. I want a bird that *isn't* in Spain--one that would be exotic to Spain. Please reread the question. Thanks, Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: politicalguru-ga on 23 Jul 2005 00:33 PDT |
Hi, I think you might have a small problem here: like in the case of your langauge questions, environment and ecology of birds have changed since the 16th Century. Some birds have (sadly) vanished from their original habitat, others have spread further into new territories. I think this could be especially true for song-birds, which could be hunted and sold, or later released (into a new habitat) because of various reasons. I also have a small anecdote. During my latest visit to Israel, I saw parakeets on a tree. And I mean: many, colourful, parakeets. So I asked my host what's that all about, and she said that apparently, it's originated from parrots who have fled their cages (or released by their owners, who got bored of looking after them) and have since bred to form a community. So, a continent or two away from their natural habitat, you have a parakeet community. |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 23 Jul 2005 00:46 PDT |
Hi, politicalguru, There was no mention of dates in my question. Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: czh-ga on 23 Jul 2005 02:13 PDT |
Hi archae0pteryx-ga, "I don't want a bird in Spain. I want a bird that *isn't* in Spain--one that would be exotic to Spain." Exactly!!! That's the point I'm making. Spain is very rich in all kinds of birds so you'll be hard pressed to find one that would be considered exotic in Spain. Good luck. ~ czh ~ |
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Re: Black songbird
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Jul 2005 05:34 PDT |
Greetings Tryx, This will be a tough one; I can only confirm the above. One site mentions the ?amazing variety of song birds? in a Spanish natural park. This site merely confirms that there is great interest in song birds in Spain. http://www.robirda.com/flock28.html (talking about canaries. You don't need to look at it.) When I saw that song thrush migrate from England to Spain in severe weather, I thought that maybe they were rare there. Not true, Spanish "zorzales" Re: zorzales, song thrush, Turdus philomelo, http://gadesweb.iespana.es/englishversion/pueblos/olvera.htm And just because their local names are nice: Grive musicienne Turdus philomelo sassello (Turdus p. philomelo T. musicus Zanglijster (Turdus philomelo Skylarks and starlings are also native to Spain. It would seem that one would have to find a list of native Spanish song birds and then tick them off on a list of European ones, hoping one was left over. Sorry. But good luck, Myoarin |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 23 Jul 2005 10:28 PDT |
Ok, czh, I see your point. I suppose I thought the question might be approached by looking for a black songbird in, say, North Africa or the Middle East that is found *only* there. If it passed through Spain on a migratory flight, that would be no problem as long as it wasn't native to Spain. And again, I thought (evidently in error) that there'd be a bird person in the ranks who would know how to go straight to the answer. Thank you for your comments-- Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 23 Jul 2005 10:39 PDT |
Hi, Myoarin, wer immer strebt-- Again I appreciate your efforts to help. I was not envisioning anything as complicated as a comparison of lists. I truly thought some ornithologist might pop up and say, "Why, there's the green-tipped collywobbler, which is black all over except for an emerald spot on its tail, and it's found only in Tunisia, and it has a song so beautiful that kings as far away as Norway and Denmark used to give them to each other as prized gifts." That would be my bird. I like your list of names. Thank you. "Zorzales"--maybe I can find a use for that one. Tryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 23 Jul 2005 10:41 PDT |
Pardon me, Myoarin, I should have said "der immer strebt" in this context. Tryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Jul 2005 18:51 PDT |
Just trying, very trying ..., Archae0pteryx. Your questions are all so intriguing, but I won't touch the newest one. "Boot Inspector"!! Myoarin |
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Re: Black songbird
From: myoarin-ga on 24 Jul 2005 04:48 PDT |
Good morning, I was thinking of writing a Wikipedia article about a rare bird (Avis singulara - maybe faulty Latin but it's got "sing" ) for you, but then this occurred to me: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~insrisg/nature/nw93/930830Albinism.htm Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 24 Jul 2005 11:03 PDT |
Hi there, Myoarin-- Very nifty solution! Thank you. All I have to do is pick a nice songbird and paint it black with melanism. "Rare black song thrush" ought to do it. But I'll leave the Q open a bit longer in case somebody does know about the green-tipped collywobbler. So why won't you touch "Boot Inspector"? I know it's not because you're shy. Tryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: myoarin-ga on 24 Jul 2005 13:09 PDT |
HI Tryx, Either you or I missed the point. With the link I was suggesting a rare form of a normal songbird - my assuming its rarity was more important than its being black. I could make up a whole story about its being rescued and raised by a virgin princess (dad couldn't afford a white unicorn - the myths don't tell that they were normally a dowdy donkey gray). Those boots: one year of night school Italian doesn't qualify me for Romance languages, and I got my come-uppance on Flemish. _____(low profile) ;-). Myoarin |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 24 Jul 2005 14:32 PDT |
Hi, Myoarin, I thought I did get your point--I thought your point was that albinism and melanism could affect the coloration in any species, and that therefore I didn't have to find one that was naturally black as a species trait. That's why I thought "rare black song thrush" would do it. The song thrush might not normally come in black, but with the condition of melanism, now it does. I love sideways thinking! By the way, in this case black was more important than rare. That's why there was no mention of rarity in my question. I only wanted it to be unusual in Spain, not unusual absolutely. But absolute unusualness takes care of that. Excellent! I get it now on the Spanish expression. I thought you were implying that there was something innately untouchable about the phrase, as if I were being unthinkably vulgar without realizing it and that any response to it would be seen as a blot on your character. Tryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: myoarin-ga on 24 Jul 2005 18:11 PDT |
Tryx, I - I! - missed the point, and must admit that I didn't finish the article, full of self-congratulatory delight at finding that it immediately supported so neatly my idea (reversal of your quest) to let an albino song bird be the one in your cage. I should have added "lol" after my first remark about the boots. I sure didn't mean to be misunderstood that way - or any way. Did I say anything about being trying ... ;-) Myoarin |
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Re: Black songbird
From: rinu-ga on 24 Jul 2005 22:15 PDT |
The songbird 'Koel' sounds right for you, but it is found only in India and the South-east Asian region. But,maybe that is too far away from Spain? http://www.haryana-online.com/Fauna/Birds/koel.htm |
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Re: Black songbird
From: rinu-ga on 24 Jul 2005 22:22 PDT |
The songbird 'Koel' sounds right for you. But it is found mainly in India and the South-east Region. Perhaps that is too far way from Spain? http://www.haryana-online.com/Fauna/Birds/koel.htm |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 24 Jul 2005 23:23 PDT |
Thank you, Rinu--the koel looks perfect! India is not too far away. But does it have a beautful song? Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 24 Jul 2005 23:24 PDT |
Myoarin, No matter--you showed me the way. Tryx |
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Re: Black songbird
From: rinu-ga on 25 Jul 2005 06:14 PDT |
The koel is said to welcome the spring in India. Its song is heard mainly in MArch and April. And yes it has a lovely song. |
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Re: Black songbird
From: myoarin-ga on 25 Jul 2005 08:12 PDT |
Hi again, Here are several photos: http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?action=searchresult&Bird_ID=425 These two sites and text from a third just confirm recognition of the Koel as a song bird: http://www.camacdonald.com/birding/tripreports/BangkokMorning.html http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030111/windows/main2.htm "To return to the vachana of Allama. The great tree and the koel (Indian cuckoo) are familiar to readers of Indian literature, from Kalidasa to the present day. They are evocative of springtime when the mango tree puts forth tender, magenta leaves, which the koels eat to soothe their sore throats. And the high notes of those birds, hiding in the big tree, give us great joy." And this site gives you three sound bites. Have to scroll down to cuckoos: http://members.tripod.com/Thryomanes/BirdSounds1.html (But how are you going to get it past customs and quarantine?) And what was the call of the Greater Questioning Archae0pteryx? "what would, what would, pleaeese; I need, I need, pleaeese; word, word word" ("Pleaeese" with a rising and falling pitch) With pleasure, Myoarin |
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Re: Black songbird
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 26 Jul 2005 23:56 PDT |
Well, thanks, all. I think I have my answer with the help of the commenters. Archae0pteryx |
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