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A room of perfect mirrors
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: cessnavette-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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28 Jul 2005 12:53 PDT
Expires: 27 Aug 2005 12:53 PDT Question ID: 549085 |
If you light a candle in a room lined with perfect mirrors, will the room stay illuminated even after the flame is extinguished? |
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Re: A room of perfect mirrors
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 28 Jul 2005 13:34 PDT Rated: |
Hello cessnavette, Since this question was asked by an MIT physics graduate student, I presume that there is no absolutely definitive answer. "MIT researchers create a 'perfect mirror'" (November 26, 1998) Massachusetts Institute of Technology http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1998/mirror.html However, another graduate student has answered essentially the same question in the affirmative. "Theoretically would light infinitely bounce, in a room made of perfect mirrors?" (answered by Andreas Birkedal-Hansen, M.A., Physics Grad Student, UC Berkeley) PhysLink.com http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae164.cfm Another "yes" answer is found on this page from Cornell University. "Can a flash of light reflect indefinitely?" (20 December, 2001) Cornell Center for Materials Research http://www.ccmr.cornell.edu/education/ask/?quid=417 The subject matter expert (SME) on light mentioned in this article also gave a "yes" answer to the question (with a light switched on and off rather than a candle). "Building Relationships, Engaging Students: A Naturalistic Study of Classrooms Participating in the Electronic Emissary Project," by K. Victoria Dimock (1997) Electronic Emissary [The College of William & Mary] http://emissary.wm.edu/templates/content/publications/dimock.pdf In the candle question, I believe that one would have to presume that the candle, its byproducts (smoke), and anything else in the room have no effect the light whatsoever, just as the perfect mirrors would not affect it. Similar presumptions would be needed for other sources of the light. - justaskscott Search strategy -- Search terms used on Google: "room * perfect mirrors" "perfect mirrors" "trap light" "perfect mirrors" "trapping light" [I tried a few other searches as well, but the searches I've mentioned led me to the pages I've cited.] |
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Re: A room of perfect mirrors
From: hedgie-ga on 29 Jul 2005 11:21 PDT |
That's not really a physics question but tautology: If walls are perfect mirrors (meaning 100% is reflected) and space inside is perfectly transparent (meaning 0% absorbtion) then (by definition) amount of light will remain constant after source stops producing light. |
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Re: A room of perfect mirrors
From: larryg999-ga on 29 Jul 2005 23:09 PDT |
Let's have a little more fun with this question: "...will the room remain illuminated even after the flame is extinguished?" The room will certainly remain illuminated for a few nanoseconds, even with imperfect mirrors. If the question is: "For what period of time will the room remain illuminated?", then we'll need to address the nasty question of the observer. The wording of the question ("illuminated") implies an observer. Also, the fact that the question is listed in the "physics" category implies an observer. Physics is by definition an experimental science. At what rate must the observer mechanism sample the room to verify "illumination"? Does the mechanism absorb at least one photon each time it samples the space? If so, the illumination will not continue indefinitely. |
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Re: A room of perfect mirrors
From: fa_es_11111010-ga on 08 Aug 2005 09:11 PDT |
Even with perfect mirrors, no absorbtion, no observers inside the room, photons can only live for a certain period of live within it (in average), otherwise you will violate uncertainty principle (you will know with no error speed of photon (light) and a known error the position of photon - which can be decreased as room sizes decreases). That time depends on the size of the room and the energy of the photons |
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Re: A room of perfect mirrors
From: hedgie-ga on 09 Aug 2005 07:23 PDT |
fa_es_11111010-ga We always know speed of photons. It is c exactly. speed is 299,792,458 meters per second. Doeas that means all boxes have to be very large? :-) |
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Re: A room of perfect mirrors
From: quokkaroo-ga on 10 Aug 2005 10:07 PDT |
The room would have to be a vacuum, so no light energy will excite the oxygen molecules in the air. Moreover, light would be absorbed by the candle itself. If these two points were neglected, then, yes, the room would forever be illuminated, for there would be no other chance for the light energy to escape. Energy cannot be lost or created. It can merely be transformed. However, you would not be able to observe the illuminated room. If you were to take a glance at it, your eye would absorb some of the light energy. |
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Re: A room of perfect mirrors
From: quantumdot-ga on 15 Aug 2005 07:18 PDT |
Do a google on "cavity ring-down spectroscopy." It should prove enlightening as to what happens when people do almost exactly what you're describing. |
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Re: A room of perfect mirrors
From: hedgie-ga on 16 Aug 2005 01:08 PDT |
Yes quantumdot-ga . And reffering to eq. in http://lfw.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=ARCHI&Subsection=Display&ARTICLE_ID=108788&KEYWORD=saykally&p=12 and setting A=R=0, we get I = constant, which is still the same statement made in the first comment; If mirrors are 'perfect' (R=0) and there is no absorbtion (A=0), there is no damping. Another question (this one involving physics) is 'is it possible to build perfect mirrors"; |
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