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Subject: total eclipse sky brightness vs zenith sky brightness
Category: Science > Astronomy
Asked by: lcn2-ga
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Posted: 28 Jul 2005 22:52 PDT
Expires: 29 Jul 2005 14:46 PDT
Question ID: 549279
I wish to simulate the brightness of the sky that is 4.5 to 10
degrees from the Sun in the direction of the ecliptic during a
typical total solar eclipse by taking images of the zenith on a
cloudless and moonless evening sometime between full daytime and
the end of astronomical twilight. My primary question relates to
when to take such an image.

The answer needs to relate totality sky brightness to
the brightness of a cloudless/moonless zenith during
twilight by way of the Sun's position relative to the
horizon.

This is a restatement of the "total eclipse sky brightness 4.5
to 10 degrees from the Sun along the ecliptic" question of
27 Jul 2005 03:09 PDT.

An answer on or before 9 Aug 2005 would be appreciated.

I believe this is one path to a successful and acceptable answer:

1) Determine the following:

    1/V < (totality sky brightness / daytime sky brightness) < 1/W 

    Here are some potential assumptions:

    * brightness is being measured over the visible wavelengths
    
        NOTE: My strong preference is for the entire visible
              wavelength band.  If I was forced to pick a
              more narrow band, than I would prefer visible
              wavelengths towards the visible Yellow / Orange /
              Red.

    * the eclipse is of moderate to long duration (say > 2 minutes)

        NOTE: I think excluding ultra short eclipses is
              reasonable.  Having been on the center line of a
              very short totality, it was my perception that the
              totality sky was brighter due to daylight scatter
              up from nearby areas of the Earth that we outside
              of totality.

    * that observations are being taken from the centerline
      of the shadow to minimize daylight scatter from areas
      outside of the shadow and to maximize the length of totality

    * the eclipse occurs far enough above the horizon so that
      horizon effects may be safely ignored

        NOTE: If we exclude any eclipse where 10 degrees from the
              Sun has significant horizon effects then we can
              ignore the so called "360-degree sunset effect"
              (where daylight scatter from area outside the moon's
              shadow brighten the horizon), and we can ignore any
              brightness extinguishment near the horizon.

    Actions required: post 1/V, 1/W, site the references, and
                     state any assumptions made

    NOTE: Regarding references: Use your best judgment on how many
          are needed.  At least one good source is required.
          Adding more good sources, up to a point, generates
          a better answer tip!  :-)

    NOTE: I will add as a comment to this question any data that
          I find on the 1/V to 1/W range.  You might want to read
          them as a starting point.  Of course, you should search
          for your own sources.  Don't just take word of a
          comment is being true of accurate.

2) Determine if "4.5 to 10 degrees away from the Sun along the
   ecliptic" and "general sky totality brightness" are essentially
   equivalent

   NOTE: If for some reason they are not, then you need to
         somehow determine how much brighter or fainter one
         is to the other.

   NOTE: It may be safe to assume that the area 4.5 to 10 degrees
         is far enough away from the typical visible corona.  I
         have never seen the visible corona extend much beyond
         2-2.5 degrees.

         My own observations are supported by figure 1 from:

            http://homepage.oma.be/david/pub/2003_05_MIRA_LASCO/Brightness%20of%20the%20Solar%20F-Corona.htm

         where they show the Eclipse sky dominating beyond
         about 1.5 degrees.

         I'm guessing that "4.5 to 10 degrees away from the Sun
         along the ecliptic" is equivalent to the "general sky
         brightness during totality".   But is this guess true?
 
    So in addition to the previous assumptions, we might add:

    * 4.5 to 10 degrees from the Sun is far enough away
      from the Sun to ignore the visible corona

    * that the normal total eclipse sky dominates at 4.5 to 10
      degrees from the Sun

    * there is nothing special about the direction
      of the ecliptic at the 4.5 to 10 degree range

    Actions required: State that they are equivalent, or state
                      how the zone relates in brightness to
                      overall totality sky brightness, and state
                      any assumptions made.  Adding references,
                      while not required, would be a plus (and
                      would better tip!  :-)

    NOTE: If they are not equivalent, then provide a new 1/V
          to 1/W range that as been adjusted for the 4.5 to
          10 degrees along the ecliptic zone.

3) Determine the twilight conditions when:

	1/V < (twilight zenith brightness / daytime brightness) < 1/W

    Now we begin to equate twilight conditions to a range
    of totality sky brightness conditions (see step 1 above).

    So in addition to all of the previous assumptions, here are
    some more potential assumptions:
    
    * cloudless sky

    * a moonless sky or that the moon's crescent is thin enough
      to be safely ignored

    * there are no very bright stars or planets near the zenith

    * The level of light pollution is similar to that of the
      eclipse site.   

        NOTE: Because people often select good dark eclipse sites,
              one might assume both the Sunset site and the eclipse
              site are relatively free from light pollution.  So
              one could restate the assumption as:

        * Both the eclipse site and the twilight sites are
          dark sites

    * The elevation of the eclipse site and the twilight site
      are similar

    * The latitude of the twilight site is moderate (say 45N to
      45S) so that arctic circle and antarctic circle effects
      on path of the Sun (no midnight Sun, etc.) may be ignored

    * Assume the the horizon in the direction where the Sun
      is/has set is relatively clear (i.e., no major mountains,
      trees, buildings, or other significant objects)

    Actions required: state the twilight conditions, site the
                      references, and state the assumptions made

    NOTE: Regarding references: Use your best judgment on how many
          are needed.  At least one good source is required.
          Adding more good sources, up to a point, generates
          a better answer tip! :-)

    NOTE: An added tip plus would be to produce a curve showing
          how zenith brightness changes from daytime to the
          end of astronomical twilight.

4) Translate the twilight conditions into the position of the
   Sun relative to the horizon and generate a statement of the
   form:

        To simulate sky brightness conditions 4.5 to 10 degrees
        from the Sun along the eclitic during totality, one may
        use the zenith during twilight when the Sun is X to Y
        degrees below the horizon.

   NOTE: I am suggesting "degrees below the horizon" to factor
         out things like latitude, time of the year, etc.

   NOTE: I am guessing that the conditions occur after Sunset.
         If my guess is wrong, then give me a negative number
         for X and/or Y!  :-)

   NOTE: If you have a better way to translate the twilight
         conditions into a "mostly site independent statement",
         feel free to ask me about your method.

   NOTE: You will need to state a assumption about what
         "position of the Sun relative to the horizon" means.    
         Is it the apparent position (i.e. due to Atmospheric
         effects, when the center of the Sun is on the horizon,
         it is physically about 90.5 degrees from zenith), or
         is it the geometric position (ignoring the atmosphere)?

         The point I am making here is that someone needs to
         use an ephemeris / planetarium program (XEphem, Kstar,
         TheSky, etc.), plug in their site parameters (Lat,
         Long, Time, Elevation, etc.) and determine when the 
         Sun is between X and Y degrees below the horizon.

    Actions required: post the statement, site references (if any
                      additional are needed), and state new
                      assumptions (if any additional are needed)

Thank you in advance for your consideration of this question.

Clarification of Question by lcn2-ga on 28 Jul 2005 22:57 PDT
Regarding 1/V and 1/W as stated in the:

    "Clarification of Question by lcn2-ga  on 28 Jul 2005 17:27 PDT"

Here are some potential sources.

An eyeball of figure 1 in:

    http://homepage.oma.be/david/pub/2003_05_MIRA_LASCO/Brightness%20of%20the%20Solar%20F-Corona.htm

suggests 1/1000.

This source:

    http://www.npm.ac.uk/rsg/projects/ocean_colour/aeronet/eclipse/

suggests:

    1/500     overall

Table 1 from:

    http://ao.osa.org/ViewMedia.cfm?id=21663&seq=0

shows for 12 Nov 1966:

    1/2236    (5300A)
    1/2661    (5600A)
    1/2371    (5900A)
    1/2371    (6300A)

Using a B0 (surface brightness of the Sun) of the daytime sky from:

    http://homepage.oma.be/david/pub/2003_05_MIRA_LASCO/Brightness%20of%20the%20Solar%20F-Corona.htm

of 1e-6, and using Table II from:

     http://ao.osa.org/ViewMedia.cfm?id=21663&seq=0

one find these observation notes:

    20 July 1963: 1/2500  (4000-6500A but low horizon Eclipse
                           so discard this data?)
    02 Oct 1959:  1/3.8   (8300A - article notes this data is ~4
                           orders of magnitude outside of any
                           other observations - so discard this?)
    30 June 1954: 1/526   (4500A)
                  1/1111  (6300A)
    25 Feb 1952:  1/1265  (6400A)
    1 Oct 1940:   1/526   (4500A)
                  1/909   (6200A)

So perhaps 1/500 to 1/2500 might be an reasonable range for
(sky brightness at totality / daytime sky brightness) in
answer to step 1 of this question?

Clarification of Question by lcn2-ga on 29 Jul 2005 14:45 PDT
I have obtained the answer after finding references to
appropriate data in the library:

     To simulate sky brightness conditions 4.5 to 10 degrees
     from the Sun along the eclitic during totality, one may
     use the zenith during twilight when the Sun is 5 to 5.5
     degrees below the horizon.

This ratio:

    1/2000 > (totality sky brightness / daytime sky brightness) < 1/500

appears to be a good range for the most common totalities.   There are
some exceptional eclipses such as the 1885 eclipse that was darkened
by the Krakatoa eruption, very short duration eclipses and eclipses that
were observed close to the horizon.

Assumptions:

    * brightness is being measured over the visible wavelengths
    * the eclipse is of moderate to long duration (say > 2 minutes)
    * that observations are being taken from the centerline
       of the shadow to minimize daylight scatter from areas
       outside of the shadow and to maximize the length of totality
    * the eclipse occurs far enough above the horizon so that
       horizon effects may be safely ignored
    * 4.5 to 10 degrees from the Sun is far enough away
       from the Sun to ignore the visible corona
    * that the normal total eclipse sky dominates at 4.5 to 10
       degrees from the Sun
    * there is nothing special about the direction
       of the ecliptic at the 4.5 to 10 degree range
    * cloudless sky
    * a moonless sky or that the moon's crescent is thin enough
      to be safely ignored
    * there are no very bright stars or planets near the zenith
    * Both the eclipse site and the twilight sites are dark sites
    * The elevation of the eclipse site and the twilight site
      are similar
    * The latitude of the twilight site is moderate (say 45N to
      45S) so that arctic circle and antarctic circle effects
      on path of the Sun (no midnight Sun, etc.) may be ignored
    * Assume the the horizon in the direction where the Sun
      is/has set is relatively clear (i.e., no major mountains,
      trees, buildings, or other significant objects)

For a good review of this topic see:

    "Sky brightness during eclipses: a review" by S. M Silverman
    and E. G. Mullen; Applied Optics / Vol 14, No. 12 / Dec 1975.

I am going to close this question because I have the answer.
Thank you to all of those who looked at and commented on
this and the previously related question.
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