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Does wind effect sound?
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: mmcgrath-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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01 Aug 2005 10:24 PDT
Expires: 31 Aug 2005 10:24 PDT Question ID: 550444 |
Does wind affect the loudness of sound? I.E. Will a sound register louder/softer/the same at decibel meters (or other sound measuring device) that are equidistant from the sounds origin with all thing being equal, except for a 20 mph wind blowing constantly, from behind one meter across the sounds origin, through behind the other meter? |
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Re: Does wind effect sound?
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 01 Aug 2005 15:28 PDT Rated: |
MMcgrath -- Sound is changed in many ways as it moves through the air but yes, it is louder or more intense downwind. As the Encarta article below notes, sound is a disturbance in the atmosphere. Once the ?disturbance? occurs it will be moving through the air at 1,129 feet/second (68 degrees Fahrenheit). It will be moving faster ? at 29.3 feet/second (fps) faster downwind and 29.3 fps slower upwind. It won?t make much difference at 1 meter (3?) but it will at 200 yards. At 200 yards, sound will arrive downwind 0.1 seconds faster and travel about 55? less. There is less absorption of the sound wave ? but there?s also two other factors at work. There is also less distortion of the sound wave and a higher frequency, which may make it appear louder. Encarta ?Sound ? Physical Characteristics? http://encarta.msn.com/text_761560639___2/Sound.html A U.K. research company specializing in acoustics notes all of the different aspects of sound traveling through the atmosphere in the following article. Note, in particular, the section on ?Atmospheric Effects,? which notes the absorption of sound by molecules but also shows in a diagram how ?winds will increase sounds downwind from a source and reduce them upwind. This is not solely a result of the velocity effect, but also because the spherical wave-front is deformed by the prevailing wind.? Square One Research ?Sound Propagation? http://www.squ1.com/index.php?http://www.squ1.com/sound/propagation.html You may remember the Doppler Effect from physics classes. It is used extensively in medical equipment (for ultrasound measurements) and in astronomy (where light shifts its frequency depending on how fast a star is moving away from the Earth). This article shows how frequency (which you?ll hear as pitch) changes in a moving sound wave. The increased frequency may also be interpreted by your ear as being louder. Wikipedia ?Doppler Effect? (July 24, 2005) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect There?s a very complete discussion of all of the common effects on sound in this page by James B. Calvert, an emeritus professor of engineering at the University of Denver. It deals with several other special effects that occur with sound ? but you may want to start with the ?Sound Outdoors? section: University of Denver ?Sound Waves? (Calvert, Sept. 24, 2003) http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/waves/soundwav.htm Google search strategy: Sound intensity downwind upwind Sound absorption downwind upwind Doppler effect Best regards, Omnivorous-GA | |
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Re: Does wind effect sound?
From: racecar-ga on 01 Aug 2005 15:52 PDT |
"There is also less distortion of the sound wave and a higher frequency, which may make it appear louder." This is false. If the sound meters are fixed relative to the source, the wind does not cause a shift if the frequency detected. |
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Re: Does wind effect sound?
From: omnivorous-ga on 01 Aug 2005 16:19 PDT |
Racecar -- I don't believe that you are correct unless describing a no-wind situation. The sound going towards a downwind microphone is traveling at 1,158 fps and towards an upwind microphone at 1,100 fps and the Doppler calculation indicate a frequency shift would occur: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect No, the source isn't moving, but the wind is causing a relative movement. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Does wind effect sound?
From: iang-ga on 02 Aug 2005 02:53 PDT |
The Doppler calculation assumes the observer is stationary with respect to the medium. In this case they're both moving with respect to the medium but they're stationary with respect to each other - there's no effect on the wavelength. Ian G. |
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Re: Does wind effect sound?
From: racecar-ga on 02 Aug 2005 13:12 PDT |
Respectfully, the comments by both omnivourous and iang are incorrect. When source and observer are not moving relative to each other, but both are moving relative to the medium, there IS an effect on the wavelength, but none on the frequency. As omnivorous says, the sound travels slower (relative to the ground) upwind than downwind, but the wavelength also shortens, and the frequency doesn't change. Think about it this way: frequency is the number of wave crests that arrive in say a second. Let's say the frequency is 100 hertz. That means every second 100 waves leave the source. Now the receiver is a certain distance away. If fewer (or more) than 100 waves arrive at the receiver every second where do those extra waves go? In the case where source and receiver are moving relative to each other, the extra waves go to fill up the (changing) distance between the source and receiver. But in this case, the distance between source and receiver doesn't change, so the number of wave crests between them doesn't change, and there can be no shift in frequency. Omnivorous, if this doesn't make sense to you, I'm sure I can dig up some online references. |
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Re: Does wind effect sound?
From: iang-ga on 02 Aug 2005 15:14 PDT |
Racecar My apologies, you're right! Ian G. |
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