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Navy Tradition
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: selected-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
03 Aug 2005 07:12 PDT
Expires: 02 Sep 2005 07:12 PDT Question ID: 551184 |
What is the origin of the US Navy's Chief Petty Officer initiation? |
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Re: Navy Tradition
From: scovel-ga on 04 Aug 2005 03:15 PDT |
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq46-1.htm Not sure how much that might help you but it has assisted my husband. (Chief Select this year :) ) |
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Re: Navy Tradition
From: selected-ga on 04 Aug 2005 07:16 PDT |
Thanks! I'll give it a shot. |
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Re: Navy Tradition
From: myoarin-ga on 04 Aug 2005 18:24 PDT |
Selected, and for those who want to know: http://www.pstripes.com/ed091500c.html The initiation seems to have moved "up-market" now: http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=9594 This site of great length looks authoritative and includes the passage following, which I did not trouble to view: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/6693/customs.html CUSTOMS OF THE NAVY - "... and that of chief petty officer just over 100 years ago. ... a practice which had its origin in the pagan initiation rites of the Vikings." Congratulations, Myoarin |
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Re: Navy Tradition
From: myoarin-ga on 05 Aug 2005 10:34 PDT |
"You can tell that to the marines!" My search technique allowed Google to neatly couple two phrases to look like what we were seeking. Sorry! The pagan Viking rites are, of course, those relating to "crossing the line." But it was a very interesting read. Myoarin |
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Re: Navy Tradition
From: myoarin-ga on 06 Aug 2005 07:48 PDT |
Selected, Trying to make up for my fluff above: Here is what Master CPO of the Navy John Hagan says about tradition, especially that of CPO initiation, but he does not give the origin of the tradition. http://www.usni.org/proceedings/Articles97/PROhagan.htm Here is a nice site about the history of the grade: http://www.navychief.com/cpohistory.html Here is a site for scovel-ga, at least. :) On page 14 it speaks about about the significance of the "training period": https://www.directline.navy.mil/DL/uploads/document_uploads/cpospouse.pdf and a bit more information, apparently from the eyes of those in charge of initiation: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/9270/cpoa-success.htm Apparently the origin of the initiation is lost in the fogs of the past. On one blog, someone mentioned that it is 100 years old. In the "Goat Locker", blog for CPOs, someone asked the same question. My purely personal opinion from reading about the history of the grade is that it may have originated when the first CPOs were promoted, since there was already a "crew" of such when the grade was made official in 1893. The old-timers would have wanted to test the "youngsters" - perhaps with reference to the "shellback" initiation, a long-time maritime tradition. The change in uniform gives the step up more significance than in the army, as does the title: "chief" says more than "sergeant first class". "A Petty Officer First Class can only advance if the existing chiefs approve." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Petty_Officer This also suggests the peer group's interest in testing the candidates. But that is just one man's opinion. Myoarin |
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