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Subject:
Satellite Communications
Category: Science Asked by: jim88-ga List Price: $60.00 |
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03 Aug 2005 09:07 PDT
Expires: 18 Aug 2005 10:14 PDT Question ID: 551233 |
I have some ideas for services to remote areas that could be delivered by a small satellite communications terminal if cheap enough. What is the 'state of the art' for mobile satellite communications links in terms of size of terminal and antenna, bandwidth up and down, power consumption, and cost? What frequency bands do they work in? What technology trends are there and what might be the state of the art in 5 years time? |
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Subject:
Re: Satellite Communications
From: philnj-ga on 05 Aug 2005 07:00 PDT |
You can learn a lot about satellite communication by studying current deployments (i.e. Satellite TV (DBS), Satellite Radio and Satellite Telephones). As with all electronics, the cost of the systems are dropping. The components are getting smaller. DBS systems use a small dish and the rest of the electronics reside in a small set top box. As for bandwidth, there is a rough correlation between size of the receiving antenna and bandwidth. Satellite radio is low bandwidth, therefore a small (non-directional even) antenna. DBS TV can have bandwidth of around 40 Mbits/sec (for High Def TV), but the antenna is larger. I'm sorry that I don't know a thing about two-way satellite comms. |
Subject:
Re: Satellite Communications
From: garignack-ga on 06 Aug 2005 13:57 PDT |
Within the consumer market there are already a few contractors that have solved this problem and are offering full services to remote and mobile locations. The current leader in technology is Directway Satellite (http://www.directway.com). If you are interested in a more mobile DirecWay solution, Ground Control (http://www.groundcontrol.com/) is able to fulfill your needs. The state of the art in satellite communications is the Directway DW7700 (http://www.groundcontrol.com/DW7700.pdf), due out Aug 15, 2005. This integrated modem handles the satellite negotiation, basic network services (DHCP, DNS), firewall support, Quality of Service routines, and other network acceleration protocols. The modem also integrates a v.90 56k dial-up modem in the event that a satellite signal is temporarily unavailable. The modem also has a serial port interface for ATM and credit card reader applications. Download speeds can be up to 90Mbps and upload speeds can up to 1.6Mbs on a .98 or 1.4 meter dish. Common service plans allocate up to a 1.5Mbs downlink and 512Kbs Uplink. Phone service is provided by using Voice over Internet Protocol (VOIP) technology. Simply put, this technology converts your voice from a sound wave to a digital message. This message is then transmitted to through the internet to a server local to the location you are calling. The local server handles the local phone call and also converts you're voice back into a standard signal. When using this service over a satellite internet connection, a small delay is noticed. This 1-2 second delay occurs because the signal must travel from earth to the satellite and then return to earth. This "lag" is noticed while playing online games. VOIP technology is fully capable of providing fax service. There are separately sold installation kits for satellite TV reception using the same dish. The kits mount a second reception terminal on the dish, and provide a second set of cable that can run to a Dish Network or Direct-TV receiver. Satellite TV plans are purchased separately through the respective companies. Modern consumer satellite technology operates within either the Ku-band or Ka-band. The Ku-band refers to an extended frequency range from 10.7 GHz to 18.4 GHz, while the Ka-band extends from 27 GHz to 40 GHz. Commercial Ka-band satellites systems typically use the 17.7-20.2 GHz range for downlink transmissions (space-to-earth) and the 27.5-30.0 GHz SHF frequency range for uplink transmissions (earth-to-space). The K-band frequencies create a smaller beam width then the legacy C-band signals, allowing for smaller receiving dishes. However, a narrow beam also makes the dish pointing tolerances much tighter and is more susceptible to adverse weather. Power consumption on the DW7700 terminal is minimal, but greater then what can be reliably provided by a battery for extended periods of time. Input power is available in both AC (90-264VAC) and DC (12-24VDC). The satellite radio component uses only 2 watts of power, fed from the DW7700 modem. military Satellite radios typically last for only a few hours on battery power. Cost of DirecWay Solutions vary with vendors and plans. Most vendors give you the option for purchasing the equipment in exchange for a lower monthly fee. If purchasing the required equipment upfront, expect to pay between $300 and $600. Fees range between $50 and $200 per month, depending on the amount of available bandwidth desired and any optional features such as VOIP. The military is currently investing heavily in mobile satellite communications for use in the future of warfare. Over the next 5 years expect to see additional miniaturization of satellite technology, and integration of satellite communication in to more mobile applications, such as a moving vehicle. I would not be surprised if within the next 5 years satellite communications provides internet service for back-packing and vehicle travel applications. Consider the advantages of a passenger being able to pull up data from mapquest.com, while navigating via GPS and researching the final destination. One of the factors holding this I hope this answers your questions about satellite communications. This was meant to be more of a overview, rather then a detailed, technical answer. As for satellite service business ideas, consider looking into military contracting. The military is currently invensting millions of dollars in-order to develop a communications platform that can be integrated into a soldier's basic load. Feel free to let me know if you have any other questions. |
Subject:
Re: Satellite Communications
From: marlindo-ga on 06 Aug 2005 20:49 PDT |
Para las comunicaciones satelitales existen los siguientes tipos: a- por el flujo ( mono-direccionales y bi-direccionales) b- por el tipo de satelites usados( baja orbita- LEO-,media orbita-MEO- y geo-estacionarios. c- por los equipos usados( con antenas parabolicas, antenas helicoidales, con transceivers, modems, etc. d- por el uso ( voz, data, video,scada, tv, musica,etc.) e- por la frecuencia usada ( bandas Ku , K ,etc) El uso de satelites implica el pago de costos mensuales en base al consumo x minuto, en el caso de los de voz , data y SCADA bajo el parametro de "airtime", pero para los de musica y tv solo pagan una tarifa mensual en funcion del numero de canales y el valor agregado esta en el costo de peliculas de estreno(pay per view). Sin embargo para las zonas alejadas, no solo en ESTADOS UNIDOS DE NORTEAMERICA, sino en otros paises del mundo, el enlace mas codiciado es el INTERNET SATELITAL y su costo esta en funcion la velocidad de subida y bajada asi como del tiempo utilizado. Para toda America( desde Canada hasta Chile y Argentina, existen satelites que son extraordinarios como el NAHUEL -1 (argentino-aleman) y el SATMEX-5 ( mexicano)que tiene una presencia satelital en todo el continente americano, ideales para obtener INTERNET SATELITAL. Ellos, permiten el enlace entre el usuario que se encuentre en zonas remotas, como la Amazonia peruana, brasilera o colombiana, el desierto de Atacama, las selvas del Darien en el sur de Panama o islas alejadas de cualquier contacto celular con tierra( ejemplo: Isla Lobos de Tierra, Isla Lobos de Afuera en el Peru, pueblos andinos entre Bolivia y Colombia, generalmente con un equipo que posee antena parabolica de 1.20 metros de diametro( precios varian desde 1800 a 3500 dolares). Los costos de instalacion y "puesta a punto" varian desde 500 a 1200 dolares x equipo. Estos equipos usan como enlace celeste , a estos satelies, que re-direccionan la señal a estaciones terrstres, generalmente en USA, llamadas "TELEPUERTOS" localizados a menos de 4 kilometros del anillo de fibra optica USA. Los telepuertos mas familiares estan cerca a Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami y Atlanta. De alli, la coneccion es directa al sistema FIBRA OPTICA<==> SATELITES INTERNET. Pero, como dice el amigo que hace la interrogante, cual equipo es mas pequeño y de bajo costo, ademas de lo ultimo en tecnologia. Estamos a la espera de que se ponga en la fase comercial el sistema satelital ELLIPSO o el TELEDESIC. Estros dos sistemas sateiales de baja orbita deberan efectuar su aparicion a fines del 2006 y permitiran que cualquier usuario del planeta pueda tener internet con solo un pequeno dispositivo similar a un telefono celular. Directo desde el cielo. Se acabaron los usuario de conecciones por cable, las comunicaciones por estaciones repetidoras de micro-ondas, la fibra optica, etc, etc. Ni hablar de las empresas de telefonia celular a nivel mundial, ya que la transmision de voz via internet, usando el VOIP, habra superado la calidad H-323. Imaginese, que podran comunicarse con este nuevo celular de VOIP con cualquier ciudadano del mundo donde se encuentre, usando un numero mundial telefonico y a precios flat( comunicacion entre todos los paises del mundo, sin tarifas, costosa x minuto y horarios. De igual forma, el ciudadano del mundo si se encuentra en el desierto del Sahara o en la espesura de la selva del Acre brasilero o tal vez en el nevado Cotopaxi, o en la ciudadela perdida de los Inkas: Machu-Pichu ( Peru), o si es miembro de una comunidad nativa de los Shipibos en el rio Ucayali, podran recibir la señal de INTERNET SATELITAL a costo flat y en alta velocidad. Los pedidos seran de tal magnitud para usar estos dos sistemas satelitales que los precios de los equipos seran bajisimos ( calculo menos de 150 dolares )y el servicio de internet FLAT, podria ser del orden DE 10 DOLARES MENSUALES. Asi se podra democratizar este servicio de INTERNET, que ha permitido la globalizacion mundial y yo lo considero una tercera revolucion industrial de la humanidad. Tal vez, hasta para fijar en el futuro una division historica de edades o eras historicas, la era antes del INTERNET y la era INTERNET. Sin embargo, todos estos servicios son en el area terrestre, pero, que? del area maritima??? Aqui , podremos apreciar que para neutralizar los movimientos de rolido, balance y encabuzamiento de un barco, bote pesquero o yate, en alta mar, se requiere usar una antena estabilizada en los tres ejes con una velocidad y afinamieto tal que , independiente del movimiento del barco o bote, la antena, en base a pequenos servomotores mantenga su "linea de mira" simepre hacia el satelite de internet deseado. En todo el mundo solo existen dos empresas que en la practica han acaparado esta tecnologia: la SEATEL y la KVH. Susequipos son excelentes pero... pero... sus costos de "airtime" son elevados y fuera del alcance de muchisimos propietarios de embarcaciones. Los precios de los equipos varian desde los 5,000 hasta 45,000 dolares, todos ellos, muy sofisticados y enlazados empresarialmente con estas mismas compañias que actuan tambien como S-ISP, , es decir usan para ellos toda la cadena de comercializacion del INTRERNET, salvo la venta al menudeo o al usuario final , para las grandes cadeas de venta minorista. Existe una empresa China , que en menos de 4 meses, lanzara al mercado americano del INTERNET-AT-SEA( OCEANICO)un producto con antena estabilizada en tres ejes, de dimensiones muy pequenas, usando un sistema de enlace satelital con los SATMEX-5 o el NAHUEL -1 usando un telepuerto de San Francisco, y sus costos de airtime seran verdaderamente revolucionarios, ni hablar del equipo en si, con lo que pondra en serios aprietos a estos dos giganttes monopolizadores de las antenas estabilizadas para uso maritimo mundial. Esto , esta por venir en un futuro inmediato, asi que solo hay que tener paciencia y que el socio del dueno de Microsoft se apure con su sistema satelital. Para terminar, estamos frente a una revolucion tecnologica llamada WIMAX, que se enlazara con WIFI y las tecnologias ZIGBEE, Bluetooth, etc. integrandose con proyectos de satelites en bse a helio llamados de orbita muy baja ( tenemos el STRATELLITE)que entrara en funciones en menos de doce meses a nivel mundial). Saludos y paciencia que lo bueno, recien viene , no para las grandes empresas de comunicaciones satelitales, SINO PARA UD. AMIGO USUARIO.. |
Subject:
Re: Satellite Communications
From: rickintyler-ga on 17 Aug 2005 05:02 PDT |
Jim, If the information posted by others regarding DirecWay isn't exactly what you meant when you asked for state of the art in *mobile* sat comm, I have additional information for you. As you may have already figured out, the DirecWay service requires a relatively large dish and is difficult to go mobile with unless you've installed it on your RV. The "state of the art" in mobile systems is currently claimed by GAN operators such as Inmarsat. The News Media is a big customer of GAN services and use very small and portable terminals from companies such as EMS Technologies (STORM terminal) to obtain enough bandwidth for full video and audio conferencing. Most all of the embedded journalists during the initial Iraq invasion reported back to the U.S live via GAN systems. Typical bandwidth of these systems is about 64K up and down. Newer terminals will allow you to double the bandwidth through a technique known as "bonding" - but this requires two physical terminals. The frequency bands used are in the 1.5 GHz neighborhood. The STORM terminals are about the size of a laptop and weigh 5 pounds. They typically transmit at around 5 Watts. These state of the art terminals will set you back about $7,000 up front and the monthly airtime (or data charges) can easily climb to $200. There are many other satellite data services available today that are cheaper and smaller, but deliver much lower bandwidth or are less than mobile. If your idea is for a service that doesn't utilize a lot of bandwidth, I can point you at very economical solutions. As far as trends go, it's obvious that (like all things technological) the terminals are getting smaller and the service is getting faster. Above and beyond the obvious, several providers are looking to follow XM Radio's lead... XM Radio uses a combination of Satellite and Terrestial transmissions on their licensed frequencies to fill in the gaps caused by "Urban Canyons" (when you can't see the sky for the buildings). This is kind of a convergence of cellular and satellite technologies. The big roadblock to this here in the U.S. is that the FCC is less than willing to allow just anybody to do this. If the bureaucratic issues are resolved, in five years time, we'll see devices that operate on both terrestial and satellite networks with just one transceiver card. |
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