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Subject: re http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: billh-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 16 Aug 2002 07:13 PDT
Expires: 15 Sep 2002 07:13 PDT
Question ID: 55232
www.commercialmortgageyes.com  was listed for years with Google. Now
it appears
to be listed only  in Google's directory. When I search Google for
"links to"
or "similar to" www.commercialmortgageyes the response is "did not
match any documents"

I was ranked very high on Google for the key words "commercial
Mortgages" and
now can not be found at all under these key words. Web Position Gold
shows it should be first. Please give an explanation as to whats wrong
and how this can be corrected.
I have always valued Google and use it all the time and would like to
thank you
for any help you can give. I also, intend to look into paying for
impressions and clicks with Google.
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Subject: Re: re http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com
Answered By: webadept-ga on 16 Aug 2002 15:39 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Your problem is Web Position Gold (as well as some of the problems you
have which are discussed below) Using this software can/will place you
off the google search engines. Sometimes its hard to get back on. Read
the Webmasters page for Google (link below) to find out how to get
your page back on. Telling them that you have stopped using the
software and won't do it again, normally works out. There's and email
address to send this too in that area.

A good page to read on this subject is here :

Search Engine Guide: Orbidex: Safe and Smart Site Submissions
http://www.searchengineguide.com/orbidex/2001/0824_orb1.html

More Links about site management dealing with Search Engines. 

Google Search Engine Webmaster page 
://www.google.com/webmasters/ 
 
Google Support Discussion Group.  
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=google.public.support
 
Search Engine Forum at JimWorld 
http://www.searchengineforums.com/bin/Ultimate.cgi 


webadept-ga

Clarification of Answer by webadept-ga on 16 Aug 2002 15:59 PDT
Just a follow up here, you also have "spam" in the alt tags and in
hidden comment tags. Might want to get those out of there too.

Clarification of Answer by webadept-ga on 17 Aug 2002 12:44 PDT
Hi again,

I saw you asking about the Page Rank below.. you can view this by
using the Google Search bar. It has the PR (Page Rank) on it. You can
get one of these handly little items here :
http://toolbar.google.com/

There are also some good write-ups about page ranks at the Jim's world
page I listed for you above.

webadept-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by billh-ga on 20 Aug 2002 19:34 PDT
webadept-ga
Thanks for your suggestion. it seems to have worked to an important
degree. I sent email to Google, per your suggestion. The next day I
could search for "commercial mortgages" and find my site, which I
couldnt do just prior to the email.  However Nothing is shown for
"similar sites" or "links"  Also my subpages deal with seperate and
distinct mortgage products and some still appear to be blocked.
For example, one sub page,  my Global Real Estate Directory,
http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com/bizdirectory  appears to be still
blocked.

I want to thank you for your insightful comments and help. I scanned
some of the
other questions you have commented on and wonder how you learned so
much.

Thanks Again

Bill

Clarification of Answer by webadept-ga on 20 Aug 2002 23:19 PDT
Glad I could help.. I do this sort of thing for a living in my other
life. I noticed you are on with a page rank of 3, so its not
surprising that your other pages having been indexed again. Give it
some time. At least you are back on the radar.

Thanks again, 

webadept-ga

Clarification of Answer by webadept-ga on 21 Aug 2002 00:13 PDT
I wrote an article on this, can't post the whole thing here, but here
is some of it to help you further understand the Page Rank system
which is used by Google.

Google, has in the past half of a year introduced the Page Rank
feature. If you are not familiar with Google's Page Rank, which is
known as PR most the time, its Google's calculation or score of a web
page based on external and internal linking of a site, as well as
on-page criteria of the web page being linked to as well as the web
page being linked from. The actual amount of effect that Google's
PageRank has on the ranking of a website or web pages is the cause of
much discussion, and Google is keeping its mouth shut on the topic.
What we do know is that a web page's PR does play a role in Google's
indexing and Google's ranking. The higher a web page's PageRank, the
more frequently it will be crawled and refreshed. This is important on
several levels.

Internal linking

To get your Page Rank up you need to pay attention to the foundation
design of your website. The menu systems, links to internal pages from
front pages, from bottom tier pages back to higher levels, and several
other factors. We're going to go through some of that here.

On most sites, the first page, or the index.html page is going to have
the highest PR rating. This makes sense, it being out there getting
hit all the time, and if some else is linking to you, its probably
that page, but you still need to watch how this happens to get the
best effect for your total site.

Lets say your site has three levels of pages. The first is the
Index.html, at the top of the pyramid. The next level is your About
Us, Contact, News, and Items for Sale, cover pages. The third level is
full story pages, product pages, and the more detailed info pages that
your site is offering.
In standard design, the top index page is going to link to the menu
pages, and then those main menu pages are going to link down to the
more detailed pages on the third level.

Let's give your site a Page Rank of 6 on the top level, the
index.html. This is a really good ranking by the way, this means lots
of websites like you and you are doing something right.
As the links happen, and we go down into your site, we'll see that the
second level pages have a rating of 5 on the PR bar. Going further
down to our product pages we see that these detail pages have a level
of 3, or even 2 on some of them.

This type of PR dilution makes since to the robots, but our bottom
layer pages is often where most of the details of our websites lie,
and the content that will bring into our site the web searcher looking
for information on the web. We want these pages to show up better on
the search engines and have higher page rankings themselves.

That these pages have poor PR doesn't necessarily mean that they will
not place well on the search listings, some place very well, but the
better rank they have, the better our whole site will place.

The guys over at Top Site Listings came up with a good checklist. I
don't know much about their company, but many of their articles are
sound in reason and accuracy. You might want to check them out.

* Make sure that your primary page(s), the index.htm page, links to
your secondary pages or secondary levels.
* Make sure that your secondary pages link to each other 
* Link your secondary pages to the third level pages within their
sub-directory, sub-domain, or level
* Link the third level pages within each specific sub-directory or
sub-domain to each other.
* Link the third level pages back to the secondary page that it was
linked from
* Make sure that the there is not heavy linking between third level
pages
* Link to pages, regardless of level, that are relevant 
* Link to pages, regardless of level, where the text on the page being
linked from is keyword specific to the page that you are linking to
* If there are fourth level pages, follow the same linking structure
that has been laid out in this checklist

Other reminders:

* Only link pages within your site that are relevant to each other 
* Use keyword specific link text when linking between pages 
* Use standard HREFs in links that are easy for the search engine
robots.

External Linking

The greatest effect on your PR is going to come from external links.
This seems like a bummer because we don't have much control over what
someone else will do with their site. Also its just as important Who
links to us, as it is how many link to us.

Internet is based on community and what some people call per review.
Always has been and this is some of the basis of what Google considers
good external links. There are well thought out reasons for this. If
someone that owns a car dealership is linking to my page, Google
doesn't feel that the link is as important as say another Internet
Programmer linking to my page. A link from a page in the same type of
category is a per review for better or worst. The link may becoming
from my competitor from inside an article that explains how much I
don't know about internet programming, and why you should stick with
him. That's okay, says Google, its still a per, so the PR is higher
for my site. As they say about gossips, "Hey, at least they are
thinking about you."

My link in this article is helping Top Site Listing's PR, but not as
much as you might think. Their current PR is 5 and at the time of this
writing, mine is 4. Having a lower site link to a higher site is not
as good as the reverse happening. This is not to say it doesn't help
them, but its a lower calculation.

This is why the idea of getting 100 domain names and having them all
link to your main website is not really a worth wild idea. The 100
domains are not going to have a high PR, in fact, with this strategy,
they normally don't have a PR at all. And if they are all linking to
each other, the web-bots figure this out and call it spamming, and
black list the whole lot of you.

I hope this helps clear some of this up for you. Currently your lower
pages have no page rank at all, so its possible that it will be
sometime before they get indexed and ranked again.

webadept-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by billh-ga on 21 Aug 2002 07:26 PDT
http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com appears to removed from Google
for no apparant reason.  I didnt and would not, persuant to my letter
to Google, use Web position.  I can only speculate  that perhaps some
subpages have blocks on them and the spider picked that up and removed
the main page?  Any suggestion is greatly appeciated

Clarification of Answer by webadept-ga on 21 Aug 2002 12:08 PDT
You are listed, you are just way down at the bottom now. 

://www.google.com/search?as_q=commercialmortgageyes&num=100&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images

Clarification of Answer by webadept-ga on 21 Aug 2002 12:13 PDT
You show up on this search as well. 

://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_qdr=all&q=Commercial+Mortgage+Yes&btnG=Google+Search

I said in the answer that it was sometimes hard to get back on, maybe
I should have mentioned that it would also take sometime. I would
expect that you will pop on and off for as much as two weeks before
things get stable for you.
billh-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
webadept-ga from my perspective, was very helpful, knowledgeable and
very tactful in his answers and his efforts are greatly appreciated.

Comments  
Subject: Re: re http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com
From: mcfly-ga on 16 Aug 2002 10:43 PDT
 
Maybe it's just my browser (IE 6) playing up but when I click your
link I'm presented with a blank page.  On checking the html source
code there is no content:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252"></HEAD>
<BODY></BODY></HTML>

This would explain why Google no longer lists your site.  If you have
spelt your URL correctly then I would suggest re-uploading your site
to your server.

mcfly-ga
Subject: Re: re http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com
From: pdoc-ga on 16 Aug 2002 13:10 PDT
 
I concur with the previous comment - I'm using Opera 6
Subject: Re: re http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com
From: wengland-ga on 16 Aug 2002 13:11 PDT
 
It appears in Mozilla 1.0 as of 3:10 PM (GMT -5), but it doesn't seem
to validate as HTML.  See:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commercialmortgageyes.com%2F&charset=iso-8859-1+%28Western+Europe%29&doctype=HTML+4.01+Transitional

For details.

Perhaps Google is getting a bit stricter in what it accepts?
Subject: Re: re http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com
From: insideinfo-ga on 17 Aug 2002 03:36 PDT
 
I have been a fulltime Internet marketer for some time now and have
watched listings in Google since it first came to widespread use.
While the solution to this is beyond a simple answer and may not be
something you can fix yourself I will give you an idea of where to go.
There are now many Internet marketing firms and consultants that work
now and many are working for your competitors I would bet. It is hard
to beat well-backed competitors without employing your own hired guns.
The web is not as simple as it was years ago and search engines like
Google have such complicated formulas that you cannot just stumble
into a good ranking on a competitive commercial term like "commercial
mortgages". If you look at the top ten extensively you will see that
they have more focus, more links, and a better page rank.

If you do not understand Page Rank TM you can read more at:
://www.google.com/technology/

Your site has a page rank of 3 while top spots have 6 or 7 page ranks.

Your site design is a bit confusing and the nav bar on side is java or
some other scripting and could be causing problems.

Your only listing in Yahoo is for a regional page that usually have no
pagerank. This one is the same it has a zero pagerank:

http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/New_York/Cities/Brooklyn/Real_Estate/Agencies/Commercial/

If you look at top ten sites in Google I bet you will see most are
listed in Yahoo at a top directory for mortgages.

These are just some things there are more but you probably get the
idea. The web is not longer just a place to make some easy cash but is
now a business. You have to be good at all aspects to make solid
returns and there are others that make sure they are good at all
aspects. Feel free to look around for more info on what I said.

Good Luck

insideinfo-ga
Subject: Re: re http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com
From: billh-ga on 17 Aug 2002 11:24 PDT
 
Where specifically do you find page ranking number?
Subject: Re: re http://www.commercialmortgageyes.com
From: insideinfo-ga on 17 Aug 2002 15:49 PDT
 
You can find more info on pagerank at this page:

http://toolbar.google.com/

There is a link on bottom of page to download it to your computer.
Then whenever you look at web pages it will show you its determined
importance by Google. I use it myself, and find it does not slow
surfing or cause problems. You can then look at the rank of your site,
your competitors’ sites, and the pages that link to both you and your
competitors. You will see that the highest-ranking pages tend to have
higher page ranks and links from pages with higher page ranks.

It also adds a convenient search box to your browser that allows quick
searching. Just drop into the box, type what you want and hit return.
No need then to go to Google then search. I love it and I don’t
personally like add in components on my computer.

Enjoy and BTW it is free!

insideinfo-ga

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