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Subject: value and origin of a Thai (or SE Asian) antique Buddha statue
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: foofooyou-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 10 Aug 2005 03:39 PDT
Expires: 09 Sep 2005 03:39 PDT
Question ID: 553917
Dear Google Researchers,


If any of the GARs are familiar with Asian antiques please try to
answer the questions below.

First look at the statue. Pictures can be found at the URL below (they
can all be downloaded for offline viewing as a single zip):

http://s119498661.onlinehome.us/user_alpha606/347863124145/

The statue is about 34 inches high.

Please answer the following and explain your answer(s):

1) How much could this be worth (price range) and where do you think
it falls in this possible price range?

2) How old do you think this statue is?

3) Where do you think it was made and if you know it what is the name
of the style or design?

4) What is the best way to sell a large, fragile antique like this? I
live in a large city. Auction house? Craig?s list dot com or similar?

If I am impressed with the answer I will post another (more expensive)
question. Other GARs, if you feel you are more qualified but someone
beats you to this question, please post a comment that will convince
me and I will post a new question addressed to you. All feedback is
welcome (question price to low, item to obscure, etc).

Looking forward to some kind of answer?.

Request for Question Clarification by nenna-ga on 10 Aug 2005 14:39 PDT
foofooyou:

It is very hard for a GAR to give you an approximate age, value range,
etc. without having knowledge of antiquities or without being able to
view every angle of the statue.  However, I can give you the names of
3 antique appraiser/auction house that I have worked with in the past
and other valuable advise concerning selling antiques.  Would this be
of interest to you?

Nenna-GA

Request for Question Clarification by denco-ga on 10 Aug 2005 15:56 PDT
Howdy foofooyou-ga,

I am posting this as a Request for Question Clarification to see if I am
heading in the right direction.  If so, I can post the following as an answer
with some pricing references, if this is the kind of information you can use.

Your piece appears to be 19th century Burmese (Myanmar) in the jambhupati
or jambupati (royal or king) style, with the hands in the bhumisparsha or
bhumisparsa mudra (earth touching) position.

Here are some representative pieces of this style.

http://www.pacificasiamuseum.org/buddhism/images/pop3-6.jpg
http://www.lasieexotique.com/mag_buddha_III/mag_buddha_III_27.jpg
http://www.lasieexotique.com/mag_buddha_III/mag_buddha_III_10.jpg
http://www.trocadero.com/mandalayroadtrading/items/318873/picture1.jpg

The first example could be the "cousin" of your piece. Note the "coil" design
on the third example above that represents the robe, and which reflects your
piece's spiral design.

Downsides of your piece is that there is very little gilding left, lots of
damage, and it is not a bronze which people seem to prefer.  The upside is
that your piece is downright large.

If authentic, your piece might go for a few hundred to a few thousand at
auction, which I think would be the best place to sell it.  Best if done
in an auction of other Southeastern Asian art as well.  If it is older,
then it could go for more.

Nenna-GA is absolutely right in that pricing your piece is best done by an
expert in the field that can actually see and handle the piece.  I could
only "ballpark" about the value and age of your piece.

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher
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Subject: Re: value and origin of a Thai (or SE Asian) antique Buddha statue
Answered By: denco-ga on 17 Aug 2005 21:58 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Howdy foofooyou-ga,

I have done some more work on pricing and finding examples of your piece.

Your piece appears to be 19th century Burmese (Myanmar) in the jambhupati
or jambupati (royal or king) style, with the hands in the bhumisparsha or
bhumisparsa mudra (earth touching) position.  This is also called the Shan
style.

The Pasadena, California based Pacific Asia Museum has the "cousin" of your
piece in its collection.
http://www.pacificasiamuseum.org/buddhism/html/image3-6.htm

"Crowned Buddha - Burma (Myanmar), 19th century - Lacquered and gilded wood"

For pricing, here are some examples of pieces of the same style and size,
which appears to be large for these types of pieces.  These are located
on the Bali, Indonesia based Karma Bali web site.
http://www.karmabali.com/

Sitting Buddha - Circa: 19th century - Shan, Myanmar - 31.2" tall - $600
http://www.karmabali.com/karmagallery/gallery-image-pages/kg0072.htm

Sitting Buddha - Circa: 19th century - Shan, Myanmar - 33.2" tall - $800
http://www.karmabali.com/karmagallery/gallery-image-pages/kg0094.htm

All of the following are contingent on your piece being authentic, which
only someone that examines it in person can determine.

Downsides of your piece is that there is very little gilding left, lots of
damage, and it is not a bronze which people seem to prefer.  The upside is
that your piece is downright large.  Your piece most probably dates from
the early to late 19th century, and I think that it is placed in the middle
of that, around 1840-1860 or so.  Could be later than that, but doubtful
that it is earlier than 1810.  Only carbon dating and ring counting on the
wood could produce an accurate date.

If authentic, your piece might go for a few hundred to maybe a thousand.
Because of the damage, I am thinking the lower end of that range, around
$200 to $400.  I still think an auction would be the best place to sell
it.  Best if done in an auction of other Southeastern Asian art as well.
If it is older, then it could go for more.

Nenna-GA is absolutely right in that authenticating, pricing and placing
an age on your piece is best done by an expert in the field that can
actually see and handle the piece.  Myoarin makes a good point about
showing the images to a dealer at a major trade fair for Asian art and
seeing what they think.

If you need any clarification, please feel free to ask.


Search strategy:

Google search on: Buddha carved wood OR wooden
://www.google.com/search?q=Buddha+carved+wood+OR+wooden

Google search on: Buddha carved wood OR wooden crown OR crowned
://www.google.com/search?q=Buddha+carved+wood+OR+wooden+crown+OR+crowned

Google search on: Buddha crowned OR crown Burmese OR Myanmar OR Burma
://www.google.com/search?q=Buddha+crowned+OR+crown+Burmese+OR+Myanmar+OR+Burma

Google search on: Shan Buddha Burmese OR Myanmar OR Burma
://www.google.com/search?q=Shan+Buddha+Burmese+OR+Myanmar+OR+Burma

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher

Request for Answer Clarification by foofooyou-ga on 19 Aug 2005 11:06 PDT
Thank you denco-ga for your answer. For the price, that is a good
answer and gets me going in the right direction. There have been good
comments too. Can you please explain a few things:

How did you arrive at this conclusion (what sources, references, etc):

"Your piece most probably dates from the early to late 19th century,
and I think that it is placed in the middle of that, around 1840-1860
or so.  Could be later than that, but doubtful that it is earlier than
1810."

Thanks again!

Clarification of Answer by denco-ga on 19 Aug 2005 19:20 PDT
Howdy foofooyou-ga,

Here are some references for dating your piece, if indeed it is shown
to be authentic.

An early 19th to mid-19th century Burmese Buddha.
http://www.trocadero.com/mandalayroadtrading/items/430279/item430279.html

"The spiked hair, facial characteristics, placement of the ushnisha,
uniformity of finger length, and the simplicity of the robing help to
date this to the 19th century, possibly the first half as it lacks the
features of the Mandalay style which came to dominate much of Burmese
Bhuddist art during the latter half of the century."

Here, a piece dated to the first quarter of the 19th century.
http://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=8063

"... I would think 1st Q 19th century over 18th century, given the rather
squared body form and square shoulders."

So, from the "cousin" piece at the Pacific Asia Museum we know your piece
appears to be 19th century, and most probably not early 19th century
because of style changes in the late 18th to mid-19th century.

Here is a late 19th century piece.
http://www.lasieexotique.com/current_feature/UH10059CF.html

"Burmese Arakan crowned Buddha image in jambhupati style, the Buddha as
king ... Late 19th Century."

The following is early 20th century.
http://www.lasieexotique.com/current_feature/UH10056CF.html

"Burmese Arakan crowned Buddha image in jambhupati style, the Buddha as
king ... Early 20th Century."

Note that by the late 19th and early 20th century, the style was getting
more of a decorative or even more stylized nature, and not as "pure" as
your piece seems.

So, if you go between early and late 19th century, you end up in the range
that I provided.  I would also venture, by the lack of detail of the robe
in places and the general condition, that if authentic, the piece is one
of a "primitive" nature and might even be a "cave" Buddha as well.

Again, carbon dating and ring counting of the wood is probably the only
way to possibly get an accurate dating of the piece.

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher
foofooyou-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
For the price I could not have recieved at better answer or comments
for this question!

Comments  
Subject: Re: value and origin of a Thai (or SE Asian) antique Buddha statue
From: myoarin-ga on 10 Aug 2005 18:37 PDT
 
Depending on where you are, you may be interested in the dealers at
the major trade fairs for Asian art:

http://www.haughton.com/asian/

http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/aany/

http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions.html

http://www.caskeylees.com/shows/3/asian/sf/

If you are not in the States, London also has an Asia week with many
specialists, but of course the major auction houses there are always
available for advice, also by photo, which is probably true of the
same and dealers in USA.  (I think Denco is on the right track.)
Good luck, Myoarin
Subject: Re: value and origin of a Thai (or SE Asian) antique Buddha statue
From: myoarin-ga on 20 Aug 2005 09:21 PDT
 
Denco-ga has done great research.
After reviewing Foofooyou's many fine photos, enlarged, I have the
impression that  the figure originally had a great deal of detail that
is now not so apparent due to the rather distressed condition of the
surface.
Carbon 14 dating will be of no use on something from the 19th century.
A comparison of the tree rings (dendrological inspection) could
indicate a possible latest date, but for an estimate of the age of the
figure within +/- twenty years, the style of the figure is more
important.
Of course, an expert would want to see the piece in person, but after
having reviewed all the photos, I feel that experts would have enough
information to help you identify the period and provenience.  Museum
curators will not suggest a value, but might recommend a dealer in
your area.
Here are the Museums with the best Burmese collections (as far as I
could discover):

http://www.asianart.org/
http://www.niu.edu/northerntoday/2004/nov15/burmese.shtml
http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/  

It has been an interesting question.
Good luck, Myoarin
Subject: Re: value and origin of a Thai (or SE Asian) antique Buddha statue
From: denco-ga on 20 Aug 2005 10:55 PDT
 
Thanks for the nice comment and 5 star rating, foofooyou-ga.

Appreciate the comments by Nenna-GA and Myoarin as well.  Thanks!

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher

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