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Subject:
pronouncing this year (2005) in future
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: eppy-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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10 Aug 2005 08:16 PDT
Expires: 09 Sep 2005 08:16 PDT Question ID: 553991 |
This question is related to my previous question (pronouncing this decade), but is a little more tricky, as it is a matter of speculation. I would like to see at least article that has been written about this question. As far I am aware, all the years of this century until now (2005) have been universally pronounced (in English speaking countries) 'two thousand (and) one/two/three/four/five' Once we hit 2010, I expect that we'll universally switch to 'twenty + 2 digit year number pronounciation. I speculate that after this time, we will continue to stick with the 'twenty' pronouciation of all years, including previous years, and thus refer to this year in future for example as 'twenty o-five.' So, for an answer, research whether anyone has written about this yet, and if their speculation agrees with mine. As I'm curious, for a bonus I would appreciate knowning if this ambiguity can apply with other languages. |
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Re: pronouncing this year (2005) in future
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 13 Aug 2005 21:26 PDT Rated: |
Hello eppy, First, I'll concur with tutuzdad's comment. I recall Charles Osgood's use of "twenty o five," and have noticed it occasionally elsewhere. Still, "two thousand (and) five" seems much more common now. You'll be happy to know that others have thought about this issue. For me, the most convincing argument in favor of your view is that 1066 is now pronounced "ten sixty-six" rather than "one thousand (and) sixty-six." I think a debatable point is whether "two thousand (and) five" will generally become "twenty oh five." After all, some would say the year 1005 as "one thousand and five," even if others say "ten oh five." (The "thousand" years are special; a "hundred" year such as 1905 is "nineteen oh five.") But my feeling after doing this research is that "twenty oh five" will indeed become the dominant pronunciation, especially as we get further from this decade and become more used to saying "twenty oh." Here are three articles on the "two thousand -- / twenty --" question: "2020 Vision" (2nd January, 2005) QBlog [Richard Bartle] http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~rabartle/QBlog020105A.html Google cache of "A matter of semantics," by Ray Brecheisen (December 30, 2001) The Morning Sun [Pittsburg, KS] http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:-hl0OOb2NI0J:www.morningsun.net/stories/123001/opi_1230010059.shtml "What Year is it Anyway!", by Stacey Woelfel (July 2001) KOMU http://www.komu.com/html/htmlColumns/woelfelcolumnjuly01.htm See also: "Names of numbers in English -- 4. Dates" Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_name_numbers_in_English#Dates I haven't researched other languages -- there are many languages, and I had little time after doing the English language research. But I believe I can say, from my knowledge of French and German, that this issue won't arise in those languages. There is a set pronunciation in those languages -- 2005 is "deux mille cinq" and "Zweitausendfünf" -- which has no competition. - justaskscott Search strategy -- Searched on Google for combinations of these terms: "twenty o" "twenty oh" "two thousand" "one thousand" "ten sixty-six" |
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Great Answer! Exactly what I was looking for. Its nice to know that I'm not the only that has speculated about this. |
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Re: pronouncing this year (2005) in future
From: tutuzdad-ga on 10 Aug 2005 08:28 PDT |
Charles Osgood, host of the CBS News Sunday Morning show, and legendary radio personality Paul Harvey already use the term "twenty-O-five". They both seem quite comfortable with the accuracy of their grammar where this is concerned. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: pronouncing this year (2005) in future
From: eppy-ga on 19 Aug 2005 08:36 PDT |
I wonder if we should blame Arthur C. Clarke for the current situation? If his book/movie wasn't pronounced "two thousand and one", maybe we would have just had the one year 2000 as a deserved anomaly for a special year, then switched to "twenty o-one"... |
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Re: pronouncing this year (2005) in future
From: le_gritche-ga on 28 Aug 2005 19:14 PDT |
Being French I can help a little ; as said before for 2005 and following there's no problem, it will be like your 'two thousands five' : 'deux mille cinq' or 'deux mille onze' for 2011 for exemple. For years 1100 to 1999 you have the choice between both pronunciation exemple with 1515 : 'quinze cents quinze' or 'mille cinq cents quinze' translated to 'fifteen hundreds / fifteen' and 'thousand / five hundreds / fifteen' Contrary to english we have to had 'hundred' in between. The form using hundreds is used more by mature people but almost never by younger people. In TV news when they hae to deal with years after 2100 they used the 'thounsand' form too and never the 'hundreds' form. I guess it's just because it's shorter and easier to say. 2115 : -'deux mille cent quize' but not 'ving-et-un cents quinze' |
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