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Medieval reference: a simple one
Category: Relationships and Society > Cultures Asked by: archae0pteryx-ga List Price: $12.50 |
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13 Aug 2005 11:00 PDT
Expires: 12 Sep 2005 11:00 PDT Question ID: 555340 |
I'd like a recommendation of a good, reliable textbook and/or reference book of medieval history. I'm interested in western Europe; my areas of concentration are France and the Lowlands, but we can't talk about them without talking about England, Spain, and other neighbors. My period of interest is 1250 to 1450. Note, I am not asking for "the best." A solid, comprehensive, and reasonably detailed book (i.e., not just kings and wars) will do. Ideally I'd like a recommendation from someone who is knowledgeable in (maybe even teaches) history, even if not one who specializes in the period. Please do mention your credentials. The reason for that is that a recommendation would include some evaluation of the quality of the resource. I can go to the library and see an objective display of alternatives, but I don't know which is out of academic favor, which theorizes recklessly, which exhibits a bias, etc., so this question requests an informed judgment and not just a title. Ny intent is to purchase the book (or books, if there's a reference work suggested) as a resource for my novel, so it must be something I can actually obtain in the U.S. I would like it to have - some social history as well as political history - plenty of illustrations, including some maps - a timeline - a strong bibliography Thank you, Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: pafalafa-ga on 13 Aug 2005 11:26 PDT |
Are you familiar with Barbara Tuchman's "A Distant Mirror"? It might be an awfully good starting point. paf |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 13 Aug 2005 11:44 PDT |
Hi, paf, Yes, thanks, I've read it. Excellent suggestion. Read it, annotated it heavily, indexed it to my own topics, and am drawing upon it. I am also using Ladurie's "Montaillou," likewise marked, which I learned about here on GA and which provided me with the crucial starting point of my research. But I want a broader perspective. Tuchman's narrative uses a focal character and his family, which is a great way to convey a fascinating account that will hold an audience and sell copies, but I find myself also wanting something designed to teach and something organized around various topics so I can zero in on the aspects that concern me and not just extract them all bit by bit from a continuous narrative. Tryx |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: myoarin-ga on 13 Aug 2005 18:18 PDT |
What about bibliographies or reading lists for courses as a source? Encyc. Britannica footnotes articles. I can check tomorrow. Here is one fairly reputable university site that might help: http://search.harvard.edu:8765/query.html?col=cait&col=dce&col=fas&col=gse&col=hbs&col=hds&col=hms&col=hsdm&col=hsph&col=ksg&col=law&col=lib&col=rad&qt=+medieval+history&charset=iso-8859-1 You might have to search with the first part: http://search.harvard.edu:8765/ and then enter medieval history You could try Harvard Press too, (and, of course, similar sites of other universities). Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 13 Aug 2005 19:35 PDT |
Hi, Myoarin, Good ideas, and I thank you, but I do need a book and not a website. I have to be able to mark it, write in it, put Post-it stickers on pages, have my fingers in several pages at a time, flip back and forth among them, and carry it with me in a form that's readable without any special equipment other than my glasses. If books did not exist, it would be necessary to invent them. As for lists of books, that's pretty much the same as going to the library: I want the guidance of informed judgment to point me to one that will serve my need and not a selection of hundreds among which I am not qualified to discriminate. Tryx |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: czh-ga on 14 Aug 2005 02:21 PDT |
The Cambridge books on medieval history might be of interest to you. http://www.cambridge.org/aus/series/sSeries.asp?code=NCME The New Cambridge Medieval History There are 9 titles in this series... [5] The New Cambridge Medieval History Volume 5, c.1198?c.1300 [6] The New Cambridge Medieval History Volume 6, c.1300?c.1415 [7] The New Cambridge Medieval History Volume 7, c.1415?c.1500 http://www.cambridge.org/aus/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521669928 The Cambridge Illustrated History of France http://www.cambridge.org/aus/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521495814&ss=sam A History of Business in Medieval Europe, 1200?1550 |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: myoarin-ga on 14 Aug 2005 08:41 PDT |
Tryx, As often, I didn?t explain myself, intending that the site be used to identify books. But it seems that Czh-ga has found one of the best sources for you. Britannica?s bibliography on European History, Middle Ages says: ?The fullest account in English of medieval Europe is found in the appropriate volumes of the multivolume series Cambridge Medieval History (1911- ), a new edition of which is an ongoing publication. "Accessible later introductions include, in a series, Christopher Brooke, Europe in the Central Middle Ages, 962-1154, 2nd ed. (1987); John H. Mundy, Europe in the High Middle Ages, 1150-1309 (1973); Denys Hay, Europe in the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries, 2nd ed. (1989); and Daniel Waley, Later Medieval Europe: From Saint Louis to Luther, 2nd ed. (1985).? There are probably more recent editions of these books. The bibliography continues with books on special areas, but you probably have access to it. This one, however, seems worth mentioning: ?Jacque le Goff, Time, Work, & Culture in the Middle Ages (1980); originally published in French, provides an introduction to social history.? Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: pafalafa-ga on 14 Aug 2005 10:14 PDT |
There's always: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072346574/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-9384334-4688754?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance Medeival Europe: A Short History by Warren Hollister |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 20 Aug 2005 20:53 PDT |
Thanks, all, for your comments. czh, I'm sure the Cambridge series is excellent, but each volume is so expensive that they would be way out of my price range. Those would be something I could consult at the library but not lovingly mark up with my own highlighting and marginalia and idiosyncratic indexing. paf, your suggestion does look good. But you haven't added any information about why you're recommending it. I don't consider the question answered without a mention of credentials to support the recommendation and without reference to the requested criteria. Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: myoarin-ga on 21 Aug 2005 09:43 PDT |
Tryx, I don?t have any credentials, but Jacques Le Goff seems to be highly regarded internationally, as the Encyl.Brit. reference and the awarding of the Heineken Prize in Holland suggests, as well as the fact that his books have been translated not only into English, but also German, Italian, and at least one into Czech. Apparently, from the mention in the law.pitt site, his international approach to medieval history is not popular with all historians, but it does seem the one that would serve you best. http://www.knaw.nl/heinekenprizes/pdf/LaudatioLeGoff_ENG.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Le_Goff This is just an incomplete bibliography, but the French and German language links give more information about Le Goff. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0812216741/103-0752543-4275057?v=glance Scroll down and click on Le Goff?s book among those that buyers of this book have also bought. You can browse the contents and maybe more. http://www.law.pitt.edu/hibbitts/ctos_fn.htm See no. 30. about Le Goff. http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1394983,00.html This is a review of Le Goff?s later book, which could also be of interest. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0631170782/103-0752543-4275057?v=glance And this review of still another book describes the recognition of Le Goff?s work. Hope this is a help. Regards, Myoarin Hi Tryx, You are too kind about explaining, thank you. I wish that I could claim I use a wrong word just to elicit your response :), but it isn?t so. :( I will keep your remarks in mind. Myoarin |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: myoarin-ga on 21 Aug 2005 09:48 PDT |
Whoops! That last bit belongs to another comment. No matter, sentiment bears repeating. Myoarin |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: hedgie-ga on 24 Aug 2005 22:51 PDT |
...0pteryx-ga You say: " But this book will not do it for me. I have no doubt that it is a work of excellent quality. But I am not looking for the story of Europe from prehistory to the year my car was built..." OK. My answer, recommending this http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0060974680/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-9256696-2132915 as the absolutely best book about history of Europe will be removed. My point, that it is not possible to understand history of Europe by studying the arbitrary sections of Europe, was perhaps missed, but you certainly are entitled to your point of view and approach, and I wish you luck in your quest. You may have to make your selection from the coments, though. Hedgie |
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Re: Medieval reference: a simple one
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 25 Aug 2005 13:14 PDT |
Hedgie, Your point was not missed at all. I quite agree that if I were trying to understand the history of Europe, I would need a broader approach. In fact, I would not presume to think that one book would do it for me, no matter how fine. If my aim were to understand the history of Europe, I would be reading many books and enrolling in college courses and devoting serious scholarship to the subject. And even then, I doubt that I could really have that understanding without having been born and raised in Europe and steeped in its places, languages, and lore. But you misread my goal. I am not trying to understand the history of Europe. I explained: "[M]y intent is to purchase the book...as a resource for my novel." In other words, I have a specific set of needs having to do with setting and contemporaneous events. I want to do a reasonably good job of evoking an environment for the action of my story and not be guilty of glaring anachronisms. One can ask when the automobile was invented in the U.S. without studying a history of the North American continent. I want to get my times and places right and include some excellent detail, and not put leather shoes on my characters' feet if they wore sabots or let anyone die of the plague before it erupted or misrepresent the tides of the Hundred Years' War or send people to confession in a cathedral that hadn't been built yet. For my purposes, I might indeed buy a 1300-page book, but it would be 1300 pages about the Middle Ages and not contain less than a hundred pages for the 200-year span that I am focusing on. So please take the necessary steps to reopen my question for an answer, unless it is up to me to put in the request. Thank you, Archae0pteryx |
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