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Source of this poem?
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Books and Literature Asked by: yellowlion-ga List Price: $100.00 |
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19 Aug 2005 13:12 PDT
Expires: 18 Sep 2005 13:12 PDT Question ID: 557814 |
I am trying to find the source of the following poem: ____________________ Modesty Behold the daughter of innocence! How beautiful is the mildness of her countenance! How lovely is the diffidence of her looks! Her cheek is dyed with the deep crimson of the rose; her eye is placid and serene, and the gentleness of her speech is as the melting softness of the flute. Her smiles are as the enlivening rays of the sun; the beauty of her presence as the silver light of the moon. Her attire is simple; her feet treadeth with caution, and she feareth to give offence. The young and the old are enamoured with her sweetness; she carrieth her own commendation. She speaketh not the first in the conversation of woman, neither is her tongue heard among her companions. She turnest not her head to gaze after the steps of men, she enquireth not of them whither they are going. She giveth not her opinion unasked, nor stoppeth her ears to that of another. She frequenteth not the public haunts of men, she enquireth not after the knowledge improper for her condition. So becoming is the behavior of modesty, so lovely among the daughters of women! Is there any who hath forgotten to blush, who playeth with the wanton glances of her eyes, who replenish the cup when the toast goes round, and despiseth the meekness of her sister. Shame shall overtake her in the prime of her days, and the years of her widowhood shall be infamous as they are many. ______________________ The first two lines appear on a sampler from England dated 1760, in my possession. I found the entire poem quoted on: http://www.gale.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8656 which mentions it as coming from the Adams Centinel (Gettysburg, Pa.), 08 June 1814, but it has to be mid-eighteenth century or older. |
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Re: Source of this poem?
From: tutuzdad-ga on 21 Aug 2005 11:47 PDT |
As bad as I hate to suggest it (because I personally despise them as a source for information) Ancestry.com claims to have an archive of the Adams Centinel issues online. You have to subscribe to find out if they have anything worthy of your attention (thus my reason for not liking them) but in the end - assuming you are not just being baited in - it may be your only source for clues. ANCESTRY.COM http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=Newspaper&dbid=7243&ti=0 tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Source of this poem?
From: yellowlion-ga on 21 Aug 2005 12:40 PDT |
Thanks tutusdad for your kind suggestion. The idea did occur to me, but I have serious doubts as to whether Adams Centinel in 1815 would have been scrupulous enough to quote the source of the poem they quoted. I see I can consult the original document for $29.95 (a quarter's subscription). This of course would be cheaper than my offer on Google Answers, but if (as I think fairly likely) there is no enlightenment as to the source, I am back where I started and $30 down! I'll keep the question on the boil anyway: maybe an internaut will pop up with the answer, and there is always the possibility that someone is already subscribed to Ancestry.com... |
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Re: Source of this poem?
From: myoarin-ga on 21 Aug 2005 13:56 PDT |
There aren't many around like that any more: the modest girl. I tried to 17th and 18th c. English poets: Dryden, Milton, Cowper, Pope, but had no luck. But quite possibly all their poems were not online, for sure, I didn't want to register anywhere. Saw the sampler, too, or a copy of it. The text suggesting that a mother made it for her daughter goes against the general understanding that girls made samplers themselves, to have a record of the stitches they knew AND also to demonstrate their proficiency. Moralistic texts were typical |
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Re: Source of this poem?
From: yellowlion-ga on 21 Aug 2005 14:46 PDT |
Thanks myoarin: Were it a famous poet I would have thought to have found it on the www without a problem. Dictionary of quotations no help either, nor is it Biblical (although the style is pseudo-Biblical). I bought the sampler some years ago from the owner of the site you saw it on. Elizabeth Laidman is an ancestor, so I was more than delighted to take possession of it! I agree that there is no way a mother made it for her daughter... Nor can it have been 'invented' by the author of the sampler: that just didn't happen as far as I know. I'll just have to plug on! |
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Re: Source of this poem?
From: myoarin-ga on 21 Aug 2005 16:59 PDT |
Yellowlion, What a nice family heirloom to find! I hope Elizabeth's life showed that she took the whole poem to heart. Trying to do a little brainstorming: You are right; if the poem had been by a well-known poet, you'd probably have found it, and also, the Adams Centinel would probably not have printed it, since it would have been already known in America decades later. But the poem must have had a certain currency in England at the time for it to be known and used on a sampler. Perhaps by a religious leader or someone close to the/a church, accounting for its spread?? I had no luck with my feeble searching technigues on "innocence" and "daughter". Frustrating. Plog on, Myoarin |
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Re: Source of this poem?
From: yellowlion-ga on 21 Aug 2005 23:04 PDT |
Well, there is only one more clue that I have not mentioned: there is a reasonable possibility that this family was non-conformist, maybe Quaker. This is purely based on the fact that Elizabeth's maternal great grandparents, who both died ca 1700, were buried as Quakers. But Elzabeth paternal grandfather, the Revd. John Laidman was a staunch Church of England minister, so I don't know! Thanks for all your input Tutuzdad: wish you could find the answer and take the money! |
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Re: Source of this poem?
From: yellowlion-ga on 21 Aug 2005 23:05 PDT |
Sorry Myoarin: of course I meant you and not tutuzdad! |
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Re: Source of this poem?
From: myoarin-ga on 22 Aug 2005 09:28 PDT |
Yes, indeed, the Quakers. I had only been thinking Methodists (too late) and Puritans. I tried to find something, which was intertaining but not fruitful. If you are not entirely fixated on your poem, maybe you will also appreciate this Quaker's comments. Scroll down to the quoted heading on the site. Smith would have been a great blogger. Humphrey Smith http://home.att.net/~quakart/texts/hs-orig.htm "Concerning Poets, Jesters, Rhimers, and all that wanton crew." And this one by Byron suggests that such girls really did exist - and were Quakers, well one such, anyway: Lord Byron: To a Beautiful Quaker http://www.poetryconnection.net/poets/Lord_Byron/16265 Here is a 17th c. poetry site, but the links were not working for me: http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/englisch/kurse/17c/backgrnd.htm (Considering the threat at the end of your poem, I thought maybe a woman wrote it.) Quaker Writings A-Z bibliography and many links: http://www.qhpress.org/catalog/a-e.html Another source for Quaker writings that are available online: http://esr.earlham.edu/dqc/ I also looked at women poets of the 17th century, found one site with a search facility, but the first line didn't find anything. But not finding anything does not mean that it is not there. It would be very nice if someone with a subscription to ancestry.com would sign on and at least say if the author of the poem is given. Good luck, Myoarin |
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