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Subject:
UK property rental and government benefit law
Category: Business and Money Asked by: james1352-ga List Price: $30.00 |
Posted:
19 Aug 2005 23:27 PDT
Expires: 18 Sep 2005 23:27 PDT Question ID: 557958 |
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Subject:
Re: UK property rental and government benefit law
From: frde-ga on 20 Aug 2005 04:44 PDT |
GBP 260 per month is not exactly a high rent. You can get round the 'sitting tenant' problem quite easily nowadays. One method is renting it as furnished - another is to have fixed term agreements, which you periodically renew. - yet another is to claim that one needs to move in oneself. I've a suspicion that the GBP 65 thing is something to do with the tax free 'rent a room allowance', in which case, the tenant has no tenure. It strikes me that you are in for a bit of inheritance tax, the tax free limit is around GBP 275k so one might as well borrow as it reduces the estate - 40% of (say) 25k is destined for Gordon. Ideally some sort of interest only loan, preferrably with a cap, but I've a suspicion that few reputable lenders will be interested in such a small sum. Somehow, I think that the best bet is for you to come up with a creative deal, that is fair to your mother and does not put too much strain on you. |
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Re: UK property rental and government benefit law
From: martinesmith-ga on 20 Aug 2005 13:18 PDT |
Dear James, I needed to return recently to my tenanted property in Somerset, and I wish to advise you to be very, very careful: Firstly, you need to write up the AGREEMENT of an "Assured Shorthold Tenancy under Part I of the Housing Act 1988 as amended under Part III of the Housing Act 1996". I would advise you to use a solicitor for this - it is bog-standard stuff. Otherwise, a good up-to-date law book from the local library will give you a atandardised layout. By law, this has to be for a minimum of 6 months, with the option of extending. There is space for you to fill in the rent. It is best to sign a new AGREEMENT if you are going to change the rent, otherwise ensure that there is a clause in the original which allows you to increase it either at a set date or after, say, one year. I have to say that frde-ga is mistaken when he/she says that you can get around the sitting-tenant problem by having the flat furnished. I had a long, drawn-out business because - and I warn you - the tenant was on Housing Benefit and was legitimately told by the local Council Housing Dept that she should stay put until I evicted her (£120 at the County Court). Apparently, anyone on Housing Benefits must be evicted otherwise they have "made themselves homeless" and the Council is not obliged to help. Despite the tenant having had months and months of forewarning that I needed to return to my house after working away, once she received the Eviction Order, she then demanded (legally) that she stay on for the maximum of 42 days. Then she did not leave quietly and waited for the bailiff to turn up. So, my advise is . . . ensure your tenant has a good reliable job! I do not know about your mother's benefits, but it would be worth asking for clarification from her Benefits Office (also, the Citizen's Advice Bureaux are excellent at this - you may need to make an appointment). Good Luck, but please be careful. |
Subject:
Re: UK property rental and government benefit law
From: myoarin-ga on 20 Aug 2005 15:46 PDT |
James, First, only Google-Answers Researchers, whose names appear in blue, can "answer" a question and be paid (which happens automatically, unless the questioner asks G-A for a refund). So, we black-name commenters are just trying to help, and may give contrary suggestions. And - of course - none of this is professional or legel advice, see the disclaimer below. Since Frde-ga has raised the point of inheritance tax, I agree with his idea of reducing the net estate with a loan, maybe one bigger than needed for the renovation if that eliminated inheritance tax (I don't know how real estate is valued in England for that). It would seem that your mother could only get a loan with co-signature by you or your sister, but the mortgage loan needs to be in your mother's name, of course, to be included in the inheritance. Then - in my plan, which is getting a little personal - she could give the house and loan to whomever would inherit it, thus removing the problem of increased rent upsetting her government support - if that is indeed a problem. Of course, I am assuming that "whomever" would assure that your mother had enough to live well on. The gift could be documented with a lifetime right of occupancy and compensation for the lost rental income (but not more, or that could also upset the support). If the house would be left to both you and your sister, does that remove the risk of inheritance tax? (Just a thought, don't reply.) This is a little tricky, and I do not know if it is at all possible in England. My German tax law doesn't like transactions that only are done to avoid taxes, and in the UK, it might well be the same. I seem to remember that Frde-ga (Hi!) is closer to accounting matters on your side of the Channel. IF he or someone else doesn't immediately shoot down this idea, you need to ask a solicitor with tax knowledge. Well meant, but may well of target, Myoarin |
Subject:
Re: UK property rental and government benefit law
From: frde-ga on 21 Aug 2005 02:24 PDT |
Hi, as pointed out, I'm not a researcher. Also martinesmith may well have a point about social security tenants. - that rings a bell If you do decide to use a solicitor, then I strongly recommend that you negotiate a fixed rate. Normally such things would be handled by a letting agent, since their fees would come 'off the top' the effect would be neutral. Another alternative would be to buy a book (manual) on the subject, the ones I've used for other areas are very comprehensive. Actually it would be a good idea to look out for one regardless. I've just done a search for: | "Rent A Room" tax free income UK | Pages from the UK only - possibly this is the scheme that your mother is thinking about, in which case (ahem) she might be a borderline case. The second link is : http://www.direct.gov.uk/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/TaxOnPropertyAndRentalIncome/TaxOnRentalIncomeArticles/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4017804&chk=mGasop myoarin has some good points, but one needs to be aware of capital transfer (I believe it is all wrapped up in IHT nowadays) basically it must be a 'gift without reservation' and the IHT relief tapers in over 7 years. There are certain cases where it is unwise to rock the boat ... |
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