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Subject: Air Variable Capacitor
Category: Science > Physics
Asked by: bksaif12-ga
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Posted: 21 Aug 2005 12:32 PDT
Expires: 20 Sep 2005 12:32 PDT
Question ID: 558417
Can you Explain why the air variable capacitor
in this link
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/varcapacitor/

 can vary between 50uF to 500uF
(i.e. capacitance vary in a range of 10)

in my poor understanding 
If I consider the each two adjacent half circle plates to be connected
in parallel (I know this is the mistake  )
 then 
At C_max configuration the total area is N(.5*a^2*pi)
where as at  At C_min configuration the total area is N(.25*a^2*pi)
Where N is the number of two parallel plates

So C_max = 2* C_min
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So what I want to understand how this variable capacitor can vary in a
range of 10. so C_max = 10* C_min

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 21 Aug 2005 13:56 PDT
bksaif12...

I'm not sure of the significance of your formulae, since
you don't define 'a', but I assume they have something
to do with the area of the plates?

Without using formulae, but simply perception and logic,
it's not hard to see that the area of conjunction of the
two sets of plates is about ten times greater when the 
plates are fully meshed than when they are unmeshed.
This is the source of the greater capacitance.

Keep in mind that the image is only an illustration, and
does not necessarily represent a true picture of what
the plates would look like when meshed at the minimum
(50pf) capacitance. In reality, they might not be 1/3rd
of the way meshed, as shown in the image, but, perhaps,
1/10th of the way meshed. Fully meshing them increases
the conjunction by a factor of 10, since they are then
in conjunction over 10 times the surface area of the 
plates, vs 1/10th of that surface area at the low end.

Proving this with mathematics would require a complex
set of equations based on the exact dimensions of the
actual plates, but, again, it's pretty obvious simply
on a visual basis.

Let me know what else you need to consider this a
satisfactory answer to your question.

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Question by bksaif12-ga on 21 Aug 2005 14:19 PDT
ok , i got it 
thank you 
do you think i can use this methode to design a good variable capacitor 
whuch can vary in range of 100

do you know a better design

thank you

Clarification of Question by bksaif12-ga on 21 Aug 2005 15:15 PDT
sublime1
the orignal Question is answered
but i hope you could help me with hte latter
thank you
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Subject: Re: Air Variable Capacitor
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 21 Aug 2005 17:05 PDT
 
bksaif12...

Thanks for accepting my response as an answer. I was an
Electronics Technician with a specialty in radar in the
Navy.

I'll repost it here in the Answer box for the sake of future
readers, and then respond to your request for clarification.

------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not sure of the significance of your formulae, since
you don't define 'a', but I assume they have something
to do with the area of the plates?

Without using formulae, but simply perception and logic,
it's not hard to see that the area of conjunction of the
two sets of plates is about ten times greater when the 
plates are fully meshed than when they are unmeshed.
This is the source of the greater capacitance.

Keep in mind that the image is only an illustration, and
does not necessarily represent a true picture of what
the plates would look like when meshed at the minimum
(50pf) capacitance. In reality, they might not be 1/3rd
of the way meshed, as shown in the image, but, perhaps,
1/10th of the way meshed. Fully meshing them increases
the conjunction by a factor of 10, since they are then
in conjunction over 10 times the surface area of the 
plates, vs 1/10th of that surface area at the low end.

Proving this with mathematics would require a complex
set of equations based on the exact dimensions of the
actual plates, but, again, it's pretty obvious simply
on a visual basis.

------------------------------------------------------------

As for designing a variable capacitor that would provide
an increase of 100-fold, the approach would be similar,
I would think. I'm not an electronics engineer, but my
approach, using the logic above, would be that we need
the minimum capacitance to be 1/100th of the capacitance
when the plates are in full conjunction, and we need that
capacitance to be in a usable range.

So if, e.g., we want the maximum capacitance to be 5000uf,
and the minimum to be 50uf, we need to design the plates
such that they produce 5000uf capacitance when they are
fully meshed. This might involve using a double gang 
approach, where there are two sets of plates (or more)
on the shaft. This creates more plate area and therefore
more capacitance. We could also simply make the plates
larger in size to increase the area, or we could do both,
if necessary.

We can also create less distance between the plates, which
will increase the value of the capacitance. The limit to 
this will depend on the voltage we're using, as we don't
want sparking between the plates, and a larger voltage
could produce this.

Once we have the maximum capacitance worked out, then we
need to make the capacitor adjustable in a way that is 
usable. The gear ratio in the illustration you provided
is too direct to be usable, and would cause large changes
too quickly to make an adjustment down to 50uf. So we'd
need to use a gear ratio that allowed for much finer
adjustment of the value.

Theoretically, even the capacitor in the illustration you
provided could decrease to 1/100th of the maximum value,
but, as illustrated, it appears to have some mechanical
"stops" in place, which keep it from decreasing below
about 1/3rd of the full plate conjunction - plus the
gear ratio is unusable.

Changing the mechanical stops so the minimal conjunction
of the plates produces a conjunction equal to 1/100th of
their total surface area, and changing the gears to allow
for a fine-tuning of the incremental values should do it.

A good discussion of the relationship between capacitance,
the distance between the plates, and the area of the plates
can be found on this page, from James Maxwell's page at the
Physics Department at the University of California at Davis:
http://maxwell.ucdavis.edu/~electro/dc_circuits/capacitance.html


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the answer cannot be improved upon by way of a dialog  
established through the "Request for Clarification" process. 
 
sublime1-ga


Searches done, via Google:

capacitance "distance between the plates"
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