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Q: Champagne ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   1 Comment )
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Subject: Champagne
Category: Family and Home > Food and Cooking
Asked by: danpaul9-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 18 Aug 2002 12:25 PDT
Expires: 17 Sep 2002 12:25 PDT
Question ID: 55936
Does champagne come in a can, or has it, if so, where can I buy it?  I
need to win a bet!

I am looking for champagne in an aluminum can, similiar to how beer or
soda comes in a can.

Qaulity of the champagne does not matter.  I just need to buy it.

If it does come in can, please provide a place to purchase it or a
distributor in the New England area.

Request for Question Clarification by blader-ga on 18 Aug 2002 14:42 PDT
Does chamapagne soda count? =)

Request for Question Clarification by alienintelligence-ga on 18 Aug 2002 15:46 PDT
Hi danpaul9

I think the problem here will be,
specifics.

"Champagne wines come exclusively from the delimited province of la
Champagne in northeastern France. The wines are created by natural
fermentation in the bottle, according to traditions and practices
codified into laws. The main rules of the Appellation of Origin
Control (AOC) Champagne are:
Strict delineation of the production areas: about 75,000 acres in 1996
The Champenois vineyards are exclusively planted with Pinot Noir
(37%), Pinot Meunier (37%) and Chardonnay (26%)"


The problem here will be finding a
Frenchman with a sense of humor, 
willing to stake their reputation
on vintaging a champagne in a can.

Now, maybe for a loophole? Sparkling
wine is what champagne is called 
when it does NOT come from the one
province in France that makes it.

Would you be able to win the bet
with sparkling wine, in a can? 

-AI
Answer  
Subject: Re: Champagne
Answered By: alienintelligence-ga on 18 Aug 2002 17:04 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi again danpaul9

This isn't looking good for the person
that thinks Champagne would be sold in
a can.  ;-(  sorry

It seems to be a "true" Champagne, it
must be bottled and corked. The Cork
will say champagne.

      <Summary is at bottom>

Some Champagne info:

The Label

The following information must be present on all labels: 

Appellation of Controlled Origin: Champagne 
Degree of sweetness - extra-brut, brut, extra-dry, sec, or demi-sec 
Country of origin - naturally it's always France for champagnes 
Town of origin 
Volume of bottle, i.e. 750ml, 1.5L, 3L, etc 
Alcohol contents (11% is the minimum for vintage wines. 
Trade registration. Each producer has an assigned number by the CIVC
(French trade organization for Champagnes)
The name of the champagne maker 
In the USA, the name of the importer must also be on the label 
Other optional information might be the vintage or the grapes the
champagne was produced from.


How is Champagne made?
[ http://www.franklinliquors.com/WINECHAMPINFO.htm ]

The methode Champenoise used in the production of
Champagne is one of the more complex wine-making
procedures, and follows the following steps:

Grape Harvest: Late September to early October

Grape Pressing: Only 3 pressings of the grapes are
allowed. The best Champagne comes from the first
pressing.

Fermentation: The grape juice undergoes a primary
fermentation in barrels (wood or stainless steel) to be
converted into wine. This process takes 2-3 weeks, and
is usually done from October-February.

Blending: Following initial fermentation, the winemaker
makes essential decisions concerning the addition of
different wines to mix together to bring out the best
characteristics in the finished Champagne. These
nonvintage blends are called cuvees.

Adding the Liqueur de Tirage: The blended wine is put
into its permanent bottle, a blend of yeast and sugar is
added (the Liqueur de Tirage), the bottle is temporarily
capped (frequently with the same type of cap used in
capping soda bottles), and second fermentation begins.

Second Fermentation: Carbon dioxide forms in the bottle
as a byproduct of the second fermentation. This produces
the bubbles associated with Champagne, but it also
produces a natural sediment in the bottle.

Remuage: During the next one to three years, the bottles
are occasionally turned and slowly tilted upside down to
allow the sediment to fall near the cap.

Degorgement: After appropriate aging, the neck of the
bottle is submersed in a salt-ice solution to freeze the
wine near the cap. The cap is removed, and the pressure
built up inside the bottle from the carbon dioxide
forces the frozen sediment, and a little of the wine,
out of the bottle.

Remplissage: The bottle is now topped up with the
dosage, the wine-sugar mixture needed to create new
bubbles. At this point the winemaker can alter the
sweetness of the finished product. The bottle is then
recorked with its permanent cork.

Empilage: The bottle is allowed to rest on its side for
4-6 months prior to shipping.


Here is an interesting thing I thought I'd pass one
while I'm at it:
[ http://www.restaurant.org/business/champagne.cfm ]
"Seventeenth-century winemakers such as Benedictine
monk Dom Perignon considered the bubbles an
imperfection and are believed to have spent much
time trying to eradicate them. But eventually,
unable to avoid the bubbles, Dom Perignon instead
enhanced the process for creating the bubbly
beverage, developing the methode champenoise for
making champagne. Among Perignon's contributions
were the blending of grapes from different
villages, and the use of corks and stronger bottles
to prevent the contents from bursting under the
pressure of the trapped carbon dioxide."


The AOC (The Appellation d'Origine Controlee):
[ http://www.champagnes.com/gb/decouverte/aoc-gb.htm ]


Champagne history:
[ http://www.champagne.fr/gb/decouverte/histoire-gb.htm ]


And finally, ALOT of text on Champagnes:
[ http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/viticulture/463-017/463-017.html ]



To summarize all of this:
A Champagne is created under strict rules by the 
CIVC and AOC and adheres to the Méthode Champenoise,
as I described above. I'm pretty sure, considering
how the French are about their Champagne, that if it
did end up in a can, it would no longer be champagne.
Not only that, it appears that even if you did do all
procedures in the Méthode Champenoise, that placing
the final product in a can, would potentially ruin it.

A champagne bottle is under 90psi of pressure, so a
webpage states. I don't think even if you had a
sparkling wine, that it would be able to live in
a can without blowing up. This page appears to 
concur, and states the upper limit of cans are
barely 90psi, with the average of 30-40psi
[ http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/SeemaMeraj.shtml ]


So I don't think this one could be won, even if
you agreed to sparkling wines.


I'll include this, just cause it's a darn pretty
pdf:
[ http://www.aube-champagne.com/pdf/1-11route_du_champagne_en.pdf ]



-search techniques-
Looked in google at every combo of these words
Champagne "in a can" "comes in a can" "found in a can"
Sparkling wine "Champagne FAQ" "Champagne info"
"Champagne history"


If you have any additional questions, just ask
for a clarification. Sorry I couldn't find a 
can of bubbly for you. I even looked for the
millennium stuff, just in case... someone 
produced a case.

-AI

Request for Answer Clarification by danpaul9-ga on 19 Aug 2002 04:58 PDT
Sparkling wine would wine the bet as well.  I realized champagane only
comes from that region of France.  I should have been more specific.

Can I find "sparkling wine" in a can?  That is good enough for this
bet!!

Clarification of Answer by alienintelligence-ga on 20 Aug 2002 03:43 PDT
Danpaul9, I would presume then
that a Sparkling Chardonnay and
a Sparkling Shiraz would please
you? 

[ http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:4O_SqQKFWf4C:www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/04/22/1019441222895.html+%22sparkling+chardonnay%22+%22in+a+can%22+%22sparkling+shiraz%22+can&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
]

-AI

Request for Answer Clarification by danpaul9-ga on 20 Aug 2002 08:49 PDT
Do you know where I can buy it in the US?

Clarification of Answer by alienintelligence-ga on 22 Aug 2002 03:00 PDT
This is an up and down emotional
ride for me danpaul9 ;o) leads
that pop up and then go nowhere.

The same Australian that brought
the Wine in a Can to the East
Coast, is supposed to be making
a test run of the two bubblies 
I mentioned, the Sparkling
Chardonnay and the Sparkling
Shiraz. I cannot find who carried
the Wine in a Can when it was
in the US. I was hoping they
would have a lead to find the
other products.

I am also trying to find a contact
for Amcor Beverage Cans:
[ http://www.abc.net.au/rural/vic/stories/s230336.htm ]
to see if they might have a new
contract for production.

I can't find the vintner for the
Wine in a Can either. I have the
name, Greg Stokes of Barokes Winery
but no contact info... yet.


-AI
danpaul9-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Good Answer.  I lost the bet, but oh well!

D

Comments  
Subject: Re: Champagne
From: lot-ga on 18 Aug 2002 17:29 PDT
 
There is also a Champagne village in Switzerland who had been happily
making sparkling wines since the year 885. But recently it was decided
by the EU that the village of Champagne in Vaud canton can no longer
use the name on their bottles. Of course the Swiss are not giving up
with a fight.
"Swiss 'Champagne' To Lose Name Under EU Accords, by Ulrika Lomas,
Tax-News.com"
http://www.tax-news.com/asp/story/story.asp?storyname=8267
...still no Champagne in a can though....
lot-ga

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