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meaning of proverb/saying
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: antun-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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25 Aug 2005 07:27 PDT
Expires: 24 Sep 2005 07:27 PDT Question ID: 560258 |
I recall hearing a (oriental?) proverb that went something like this: "He who knows does not talk, He who talks does not know". What is the exact wording for this proverb (if one above is inaccurate)? To whom is it attributed to? If you are able to, please elaborate on its meaning. |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 25 Aug 2005 08:24 PDT Rated: |
Dear antun-ga; Thank you for allowing me to answer your interesting question. I happen to know EXACTLY where the quote originated: The quote you referred to, "He who knows does not talk, he who talks does not know. . ." is a paraphrased version of a bit of wisdom from one of the compilation of paradoxical poems found in the Tao Te Ching, written by Lao Tzu, the ?Father of Taoism? in the fifth century BC. Tao Te Ching means ?The Law (or Canon) of Virtue and it's Way?. It was a philosophy that advocated that one 'abandon knowledge and discard self'. Thus the poems, paradoxical as they may be, are most meaningful perhaps to those who share this view. The quote is found in poem #56: ?Those who know do not talk. Those who talk do not know. Stop talking, meditate in silence, blunt your sharpness, release your worries, harmonize your inner light, and become one with the dust. Doing this is the called the dark and mysterious identity. Those who have achieved the mysterious identity can not be approached, and they can not be alienated. They can not be benefited nor harmed. They can not be made noble nor to suffer disgrace. This makes them the most noble of all under the heavens.? TAO TE CHING http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/tao/TaoTeChing.html This poem is clearly reaffirming what was said in poem #5, which says in part: ??the more you talk of it, the less you comprehend. It is better not to speak of things you do not understand.? I think the underlying message here is that a person, in his silence, ?could? be assumed to be a wise person, unless he speaks and proves himself otherwise. I hope you find that my answer exceeds your expectations. If you have any questions about my research please post a clarification request prior to rating the answer. Otherwise I welcome your rating and your final comments and I look forward to working with you again in the near future. Thank you for bringing your question to us. Best regards; Tutuzdad-ga ? Google Answers Researcher INFORMATION SOURCES Lao Tzu: Father of Taoism http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/lao.html SEARCH STRATEGY SEARCH ENGINE USED: Google ://www.google.com SEARCH TERMS USED: Tao Te Ching Lao Tzu | |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
From: dotone-ga on 25 Aug 2005 10:20 PDT |
In response to: I DISAGREE with your conclusion of the underlying message: "...a person, in his silence,?could? be assumed to be a wise person, unless he speaks and proves himself otherwise." I think that this is a LOGICAL conclusion, not a message. Logical, I couldn't say so..."Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue." The underlying message..."Knowledge, if acquired, is not to be shared...lest someone learn the truth and change." An approach that tries to eliminate the gift of humans to reason. |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
From: antun-ga on 25 Aug 2005 11:40 PDT |
While the statement: "Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue" is true, that is not what Lao Tzu was talking about (imho). I believe he was implying that there was certain knowledge that could not be transfered/learned by words, but only through personal experience achived through meditation, and other mental/spiritual(?) practices (what I believe Taoisam was all about). Going back to the google reaserchers conclusion "...a person, in his silence,?could? be assumed to be a wise person, unless he speaks and proves himself otherwise.", he was wrong to include the phrase "...and proves himself otherwise", because just the act of talking proves that one does not know. He cannot prove anything by talking... |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
From: dotone-ga on 25 Aug 2005 13:20 PDT |
"because just the act of talking proves that one does not know. He cannot prove anything by talking..." As if, by NOT talking, one can prove anything about anything...ahhh, a path that encourages ignorance. To become nothing reveales everything...give me a break! |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
From: myoarin-ga on 25 Aug 2005 17:29 PDT |
Part of the beauty of such sayings is that they are open to interpretation, begging for consideration, which heightens their effect. My interpretation is: A fool shoots his mouth off (like me around here sometimes), while a wise man holds his tongue. And I see the second part in connection with other sayings that suggest that one should not offer knowledge/teach until the other person ask for one's opinion. |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
From: antun-ga on 26 Aug 2005 11:43 PDT |
OK, let me put it this way than, this message/proverb was intended for seekers of "higher wisdoms"/enlightment/etc. And the message is that you cannot achive enligtment through verbal/written transfer of knowledge, and if you come accross someone who tries to "tell" you the path, than that person defenitly DOES NOT KNOW!! Why? Because "those things" cannot be expressed in words! |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
From: stephenvakil-ga on 26 Aug 2005 13:55 PDT |
I've always thought the message was close to the "Shooting off the mouth" theory above, although a bit more general. The person who accepts the flow of his life is the person who knows understands life. Those who constantly talk, debate, argue, or speak out about things resemble people who try to reason with a rabid grizzly bear rather than accept its existence. |
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From: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Aug 2005 13:59 PDT |
The saying reminds me of "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
From: myoarin-ga on 26 Aug 2005 16:46 PDT |
And maybe the saying includes the thought that one can only learn by listening. |
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Re: meaning of proverb/saying
From: pugwashjw-ga on 27 Aug 2005 05:19 PDT |
It is direct from the Bible. Proverbs 10;19 " In the abundance of words there does not fail to be transgression, but the one keeping his lips in check is acting discreetly". |
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